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Rule 101:
Don't arrange interviews which conflict with JC+ signing & appointments.
No. You take a job interview when it's offered. Sod the Jobcentre. You don't mess potential employers about.
I've had experience of having interviews which clashed with appointments. My advice is inform the jobcentre as soon as you can and provide evidence. They will usually give you an appointment at a more convenient time that day instead. If the interview involves considerable travel, meaning you need to be in a different part of the country, then you may be allowed to sign on a later day. However, if you do sign on a later day your payment will be delayed.
But you must inform them as soon as possible. I tried to do it by email as at least then I had a copy of the Jobcentre's email confirming that it's OK to miss the appt in case proof was needed.I'd suggest writing to your local MP, and perhaps also write to the newspapers.
It's ridiculous to sanction someone in your position. It's far better to have time to prepare for an interview - and also not have to rush to the interview and arrive stressed (and you would also run the risk of being late if there were any unexpected transport problems).
The first thing to do is wait for a decision. If the decision is a sanction then write to the decision maker and ask for a mandatory reconsideration of the decision. Provide proof of the job interview and explain that travelling time was needed, and wanted to get to the interview in good time (which is not unreasonable).
There's little point in going to an MP yet.
Chances are the decision will be overturned once you (OP) explain this. If not you can then appeal. But this seems to be another of the cases where the Jobcentre is being too trigger happy with sanctions. Once it's properly explained to a decision maker, who can use common sense, it should get sorted. Jobcentre advisors are, at best, mindless robots for this government. At worst they're disgusting parasites.0 -
Chances are the decision will be overturned once you (OP) explain this. If not you can then appeal. But this seems to be another of the cases where the Jobcentre is being too trigger happy with sanctions. Once it's properly explained to a decision maker, who can use common sense, it should get sorted. Jobcentre advisors are, at best, mindless robots for this government. At worst they're disgusting parasites.
I removed my thanks as soon as I saw your last sentance. Really no need to be so rude, they have to fulfil their job role and follow rules exactly the same any other employer. Lots of people are being given PIP for not following rules and performing their role as per legislation.0 -
Benefits is your money of last resort, you don't mess with that.No. You take a job interview when it's offered. Sod the Jobcentre. You don't mess potential employers about.
I've had experience of having interviews which clashed with appointments. My advice is inform the jobcentre as soon as you can and provide evidence. They will usually give you an appointment at a more convenient time that day instead. If the interview involves considerable travel, meaning you need to be in a different part of the country, then you may be allowed to sign on a later day. However, if you do sign on a later day your payment will be delayed.
But you must inform them as soon as possible. I tried to do it by email as at least then I had a copy of the Jobcentre's email confirming that it's OK to miss the appt in case proof was needed.
Generally don't arrange interviews which conflict with JC+ signing & appointments.
If there's a problem it is the JC claimant who loses out & gets messed around, or ultimately could be referred for sanction.0 -
I removed my thanks as soon as I saw your last sentance. Really no need to be so rude, they have to fulfil their job role and follow rules exactly the same any other employer. Lots of people are being given PIP for not following rules and performing their role as per legislation.
No, there's following your job role then there's fabricating situations in order to deny people benefit - something which can cause substantial financial and emotional distress to other people. Often very vulnerable people.
Yes they do need to follow rules. But in my experience they are not. How is demanding written job searches (something which they can't do anyway) to someone with a SLD, or not making other reasonable adjustments for people with other disabilities (which they are legally obliged to make), "following the rules"?
And I don't think calling them "robots" is particularly rude. If it is, I frankly couldn't give a damn. I assume you haven't been on the receiving end of it? It's humiliating and, as mentioned, can cause misery.
The OP had an interview for goodness sake, and appears to have informed the jobcentre in advance (so, in other words, done all he or she reasonably can). But has been referred for a sanction regardless. Providing evidence of that interview was then later provided to the Jobcentre, this action cannot be justified as "they're just following the rules". They're clearly desperate for the sanction.Benefits is your money of last resort, you don't mess with that.
Generally don't arrange interviews which conflict with JC+ signing & appointments.
If there's a problem it is the JC claimant who loses out & gets messed around, or ultimately could be referred for sanction.
Please read the OP's post. It was a "last minute" invitation. How are we to know the interview could have been arranged for a later date?
For example, once I got a call on the Tuesday afternoon inviting me for an asessment centre which was to be held the next day (my sign on day). This as the only assessment centre, and they were travelling for Harrogate to Newcastle to conduct the interviews. It was a job I hadn't applied for or was even aware of. I informed the JC and got permission to sign on after the assessment centre.
What am I supposed to do? Tell the potential employer I can't make it because of a Jobcentre appointment and miss out on a job? No, you contact the Jobcentre and get their permission and provide proof of the interview when you attend the new appointment. The system should accept this quite easily without problems.
The only "problem" is that, if the new sign on date is a a later day, the benefit payment will be delayed accordingly. If the system can't cope with someone, then it's an inadequate system.
I can only assume the OP was unable to provide evidence of the interview, in which case a doubt has arisen, or the advisor is being trigger happy.0 -
No, there's following your job role then there's fabricating situations in order to deny people benefit - something which can cause substantial financial and emotional distress to other people. Often very vulnerable people.
Yes they do need to follow rules. But in my experience they are not. How is demanding written job searches (something which they can't do anyway) to someone with a SLD, or not making other reasonable adjustments for people with other disabilities (which they are legally obliged to make), "following the rules"?
And I don't think calling them "robots" is particularly rude. If it is, I frankly couldn't give a damn. I assume you haven't been on the receiving end of it? It's humiliating and, as mentioned, can cause misery.
The OP had an interview for goodness sake, and appears to have informed the jobcentre in advance (so, in other words, done all he or she reasonably can). But has been referred for a sanction regardless. Providing evidence of that interview was then later provided to the Jobcentre, this action cannot be justified as "they're just following the rules". They're clearly desperate for the sanction.
Please read the OP's post. It was a "last minute" invitation. How are we to know the interview could have been arranged for a later date?
For example, once I got a call on the Tuesday afternoon inviting me for an asessment centre which was to be held the next day (my sign on day). This as the only assessment centre, and they were travelling for Harrogate to Newcastle to conduct the interviews. It was a job I hadn't applied for or was even aware of. I informed the JC and got permission to sign on after the assessment centre.
What am I supposed to do? Tell the potential employer I can't make it because of a Jobcentre appointment and miss out on a job? No, you contact the Jobcentre and get their permission and provide proof of the interview when you attend the new appointment. The system should accept this quite easily without problems.
The only "problem" is that, if the new sign on date is a a later day, the benefit payment will be delayed accordingly. If the system can't cope with someone, then it's an inadequate system.
I can only assume the OP was unable to provide evidence of the interview, in which case a doubt has arisen, or the advisor is being trigger happy.
You referred to staff as disgusting parasites, yes I find that rude and insulting.
As for rules, you need to read and understand them. It is the jobseekers obligation to provide evidence of al their jobsearch. What steps they go each day, what sites job reference numbers etc...Now how many people will be able to remember exactly what they have in 14 days and all the jobs they have applied for? How will they know to follow up e-mails and job applications without keeping a record? It hasn't got to be written, just some form of proof that they have done what has been asked and agreed by them. If their disability is so severe that they cannot complete and supplty basic jobsearch they should be with a DEA and using work choice, but what exactly has this to do with the OP?
Read my other post I have explained to every other reader to do exactly what you did then there is no reason to refer anyone for a sanction. As your latter paragraph suggests perhaps she didn't have the evidence or inform JCP, and as states she has been refered not disallowed. The average disallowance against referral rate is 65% so not everyone does get disallowed just because they are referred.
People can ask for the CC or JSAG to be looked at by a DM if they feel it is not achieveable, why sign if you disagree with it.0 -
Oh dear this thread has turned a bit catty, I blame the troll earlier.
Anyway for a happy ending I havent been sanctioned and had the second interview and accepted the offer today.
So you can get a well paid job even if your less than perfect with your grammar, don't know any higher rate tax payers that had a grammar test
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Congratulations on your new job....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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It is a very good reason actually. Interview = job = no jsa. Naturally this is a good thing, at least for DWP.Prepping for an interview is not a valid reason not to sign on. You have the right to appeal but I expect the decision will stand.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/296129/dmgch34.pdf
Rule 34081 hardship applies.
http://www.turn2us.org.uk/information__resources/benefits/working_or_looking_for_work/jobseekers_allowance/jsa_sanctions_-_turn2us.aspx#Good
This is a 'lower level' sanction.
Appeal now.0 -
PollySouthend wrote: »Hi,
I have been told that I maybe sanctioned.
I got a last minute job interview, so left a message to ask if I could sign on the following day.
I could of made the signing on however this would be cutting it fine and leave no time to prep for the interview.
Is this right that they should do this?
The job was a well paid role, so really did need the time to prep and did seam pointless to waste time signing on on the day when I could be preping for interview.
Any advice is appreciated thanks
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/296129/dmgch34.pdf
Rule 34200 applies.0 -
PollySouthend wrote: »Meow. So everyone with perfect english is on 6 figures and above then.
You meowed. Are you a cat?:rotfl:0
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