Teacher - leaving one profession to start a new one... Complications ensue!

BillJones

lindsaygalaxy wrote: »

Nobody thinks that people in other jobs don't also work hard, but they don't seem to get the critisism that teaching does which is why teacher's feel the need to defend themselves.

Yes, you are of course right. As an investment banker I'm lucky to have never had my profession criticised...

Lokolo

When you start with your new employer you will likely need to fill in a P46, as you won't have your P45 yet.

Once you've handed the P45 in, then your tax will sort itself.

simongregson

Hello,


It is probably best that the contractual side of this is left for people who understand how School Teachers Pay and Conditions work.


If the school calendar does not direct any 'specified activities' as part of the 1265 hours per year and 195 days in the summer break (it won't) then you having 2 jobs will not have any effect beyond your additional tax liabilities as you will not have a P45 until 31st August.


However, as you are still employed you may be required to carry out 'such other duties... ' but you are not required to attend school to do that (i.e. you could be expected to finish marking your work etc. in this time, but the school cannot specify when and where you carry out this work or specify particular work that you must do (it is down to your professional judgement). The reality is that probably the school will plan on the basis of you finishing up at the end of the summer term as your replacement will be wanting to establish themselves, so you probably won't be given anything to do.

ViolaLass

PeacefulWaters wrote: »

I come from a family of teachers. I understand the pressures even if I've never done the job.

But I ask you to read the thread in order and in context.

The OP mentions holidays. I reference it. Retired says it's irrelevant. I'm not the one who raised the subject. The OP returns to say don't comment on it until you've done it. Not being funny but that approach to life rather closes down all forms of discussion in life.

Please can you highlight the place where I've stepped out of line when it comes to this thread because I've looked several times and I can't see it.

Teachers and ex-teachers seem to be very defensive about something and I can't for the life of me see what.

My specific issue with your post was the comparison you used to working on a checkout.

To answer you and others, yes, plenty of other people work hard too. They don't tend to get blamed for quite as many of societies ills though or get told that they're clearly slackers/lying about having to work hard if they leave the school building at 4pm.

innovate

ViolaLass wrote: »

My specific issue with your post was the comparison you used to working on a checkout.

Are you saying a teacher's job cannot be compared with a checkout job? If so, nobody (so far) on this thread did attempt to compare them and nobody (so far) said one or the other was superior or inferior.

Can you elaborate as to why you have an issue with PeacefulWaters' mention of working at a checkout?

EDIT: I don't blame teachers for leaving school at 4pm. I do blame teachers for the incorrect use of there, their, they're, and all the stupid "would of" and "should of", as well as for people's inability to work out %ages and people not knowing the meaning of AER and APR at the age of 18. Don't even get me going on the use of apostrophes vs plurals. All totally basic stuff, doesn't need a university education to know the right way of spelling, and to know basic maths.
But if you do have university education, you would (/should) ensure the basics as a matter of cause.

I only blame teachers to about 50% though - the other 50% of blame goes to the parents.

pauljoecoe

PeacefulWaters wrote: »

Read what's been said in what order and what context.

I can't see anybody, myself included, who has a "bee in their bonnet" other than those from the profession itself.

I am talking very generally as it's something I have noticed on various forums. (I am a car enthusiast and frequent a few car related forums)

I was just interested to see that it didn't take long for a perfectly legitimate question about money/employment turned into a conversation about how good teachers have it.

May I ask what 'you' do for a living so I can start a uninformed 'discussion' about how 'you' are paid too much and work too little.

'you' in a very general sense.

PeacefulWaters

pauljoecoe wrote: »

I am talking very generally as it's something I have noticed on various forums. (I am a car enthusiast and frequent a few car related forums)

I was just interested to see that it didn't take long for a perfectly legitimate question about money/employment turned into a conversation about how good teachers have it.

But at no stage did I comment on "how good" teachers have it.

May I ask what 'you' do for a living so I can start a uninformed 'discussion' about how 'you' are paid too much and work too little.

I'm a financial analyst for a large international company.

I have a 38 hour a week contract, 25 days of holiday and earn somewhere around the same as a primary school teacher (mid range).

You can comment all you like about it. I didn't say teachers were overpaid. I didn't say they got too many holidays.

It certainly feels like I touched a nerve (when trying, quite genuinely, to help) and ended up being cornered by some sort of cyber-mob of teachers and ex-teachers who still haven't been able to provide a specific example of what I did wrong.

ViolaLass wrote: »

My specific issue with your post was the comparison you used to working on a checkout.

I could have said doctor, miner, accountant, footballer or any other profession.

To answer you and others, yes, plenty of other people work hard too. They don't tend to get blamed for quite as many of societies ills though or get told that they're clearly slackers/lying about having to work hard if they leave the school building at 4pm.

But where did I wave the finger at a teacher or the profession generally?

I had an excellent English teacher who explained the meaning of context and how to reach an understanding of a subject from the context in which it was written.

Many who have posted on here have reacted negatively to a criticism I never made. They've failed to recognise the context and just gone on the attack.

It's a little disappointing to be quite frank.

innovate

Anyone harping on about how hard they worked and how much they have earned their holidays and how much they need their holidays to recuperate from all that hard work is bound to get some flack.

Although some people might not believe it, most people of working age do work hard, have deserved their holidays, and need their holidays to recuperate. Those that don't either have a disability that prevents them from working, a rich connection, or are scroungers.

Nobody working in banking, IT, retail, research, health care, transport, construction, entertainment, publishing, etc etc etc, etc feels compelled to point out they are working hard and have deserved their holidays. Most teachers don't, either. So why don't you few teachers who feel you are different just give it a break and accept that working life is hard for everyone.

iAMaLONDONER

eastofeden wrote: »

I am a teacher too. I, for one, thank my lucky stars that I get 12 weeks holidays per year, a decent salary and an excellent pension. Why be defensive when that is clearly an enviable position to be in?

Many, many people work extremely hard these days, certainly teachers do, but so do loads of others. I get fed up with hearing about all this recuperation time. Be honest, you and I, fellow teachers, are in a very, very good position.

You probably are only beaten by tube drivers in terms of regular jobs lol!

eskbanker

innovate wrote: »

I do blame teachers for the incorrect use of there, their, they're, and all the stupid "would of" and "should of", as well as for people's inability to work out %ages and people not knowing the meaning of AER and APR at the age of 18. Don't even get me going on the use of apostrophes vs plurals.

...and right on cue:

lindsaygalaxy wrote: »

Nobody thinks that people in other jobs don't also work hard, but they don't seem to get the critisism that teaching does which is why teacher's feel the need to defend themselves.