Thiefing Petrol Station (Esso - Deptford Park)

[Deleted User]

I have a no dump at work rule unless it is an emergency of course.

taxiphil

George_Michael wrote: »

A few differences.
Goods given away will be taken into account in the books, and yes, if a company does "lose" a large quantity of goods through inefficiencies, this should be picked up during an audit.

Maybe you think HMRC are also talking a load of rubbish when they refer to pump readings being taken as one way to account for VAT and daily takings for the garage concerned.



http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vrsmanual/VRS8350.htm
Pump reading can and are used to calculate the daily takings for some fuel stations, and from this, their VAT liability and daily takings are calculated.

I think you're missing the point.

VAT is charged on the amount of money given to the retailer by the buyer. The quantity of goods that changed hands is a matter of private contract law between the two parties.

If a garage is "giving away" extra fuel for free, as you claim, then no VAT would be chargeable on the surplus amount because it's free.

Furthermore, giving away free fuel as a "VAT fiddle" makes no sense because the garage can't evade the fuel duty element; this is added to the cost when the fuel leaves the refinery and must be paid upfront by the garage, unlike VAT which is collected from the end user at the point of sale. And the fuel duty as a % of the price per litre is much greater than the VAT.

fivetide

Deleted_User wrote: »

I have a no dump at work rule unless it is an emergency of course.

o/t but there used to be a website that you could input your salary to, start the clock when you went off to the lav and then stop when you came back and it told you exactly how much you'd been paid for having a dump. :rotfl:

rdr

A while ago one pump at my usual petrol station under read, I'd put in what I knew to be 35l from the guage, and it only read 25l. I told them every time but they took ages to fix it. always a queue for the pump.

jumperjohn

AdrianC wrote: »

Given that the pump measures fuel actually delivered, (never used a pump that's clearly running out, and watched both litres and price go up in fits and starts as air is pumped (feelable through the handle)?) and if the nozzle's closed, no fuel can be delivered...

So you don't believe me? If you read back I advised that to the attendant the the pump is faulty. It added 1p, sod all money but still required a fumble for the penny, honestly it really did happen, too much of a boring story to have made it up...

[Deleted User]

I hate petrol stations. Always busy and always full of time wasters e.g. people doing their shopping blocking pumps. Or no regard for other peoples time by getting back into their car and changing cd and checking their phone before driving off the pump.

I prefer to use pay@pump very late at night or early morning (5.30am) before work. In and out.

AdrianC

jumperjohn wrote: »

So you don't believe me? If you read back I advised that to the attendant the the pump is faulty. It added 1p, sod all money but still required a fumble for the penny, honestly it really did happen, too much of a boring story to have made it up...

Oh, I believe you that it was £40.01. I even believe that it rolled over from £40.00 to £40.01 as you were manhandling the nozzle back into the holder.

It's just that Occam's Razor applies as to the likely cause of it being equipment failure or the user briefly nudging the trigger.

Joe_Horner

jumperjohn wrote: »

So you don't believe me? If you read back I advised that to the attendant the the pump is faulty. It added 1p, sod all money but still required a fumble for the penny, honestly it really did happen, too much of a boring story to have made it up...

AdrianC wrote: »

Oh, I believe you that it was £40.01. I even believe that it rolled over from £40.00 to £40.01 as you were manhandling the nozzle back into the holder.

It's just that Occam's Razor applies as to the likely cause of it being equipment failure or the user briefly nudging the trigger.

It did happen, it wasn't the Asians, it was Griff Rhys Jones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWIz4eYj3fE

It's a very well known phenomenon that's been happeniing ever since petrol pumps stopped using mechanical flow meters and sight-glasses. The reason it happens isn't a button on the console, it's simply that the pump doesn't finalise the delivery until the nozzle is back in its holder. If you stop within about 1/2 penny (about 3/4 of a teaspoon) of the next penny then it may or may not "click over" as it finalises the sale depending how it rounds the numbers.

On a £40 delivery it represents an error of +/- 0.0125% which is really not worth worrying about and is why most stations will let you off the penny if you give good vibes

k12479

jumperjohn wrote: »

It added 1p

According to Leicester Trading Standards http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/business/tradingstandards/ts_consumers/recent_consumer_issues/petrol_pump_questions_answered.htm:

Q. When I put the petrol nozzle back the meter clocked up one penny when I was not delivering any fuel, is there a fault on the pump?

A. Sometimes the price advances when you close the nozzle and return it to storage. This can be caused by the hose swelling slightly which allows a fractional amount of fuel to pass through the meter. Because of the high price in petrol only a very small amount of fuel is needed for the price display to change by 1 penny therefore this problem is much more prevalent now than it used to be. One penny’s worth of fuel only equates to a very small amount and is well within the permitted tolerances of -0.5% and +1%. However if the price increases by more than 1 penny please let Consumer Direct know on 08454 04 05 06.