Health Checks at School

pollypenny

surreysaver wrote: »

What sane healthcare 'professional' would perform checks on someone without consent?

Any responsible parent can get checks carried out on their children. doesn't have to be with a school nurse.

Does this mean that you don't care about the child of an irresponsible parent?

It's fine if that child's poor hearing or eyesight is missed, so he or she is disadvantaged in school and life? :cool:

surreysaver

FBaby wrote: »

I wonder the same too. It is one thing to have personal views on any matters, but to misguide posters in a patronizing way goes beyond that.

Misguided? How. Where have I been patronising?

FBaby wrote: »

This is what you wrote:

Didn't bother to specify that this excluded weight checks.

It doesn't exclude weight checks. It is the participation in the NCMP that is excluded.

surreysaver

pollypenny wrote: »

Does this mean that you don't care about the child of an irresponsible parent?

It's fine if that child's poor hearing or eyesight is missed, so he or she is disadvantaged in school and life? :cool:

The child of an irresponsible parent is not my concern. My child is of my concern.

surreysaver

FBaby wrote: »

No need to go back for more. The reality is that you don't know what you are talking about. Talking about assault when referring to guidance agreed by the Department of Health is really not helpful to posters who don't know any different.

Just because it is guidance, doesn't mean they have to follow it. Healthcare 'professionals' are required to use their own professional judgement, adhere to the law and their professional standards. Doing things without consent is in contradiction to that.

surreysaver

IrishRose12 wrote: »

Surreysaver I have no idea what your actual problem is with your child's school or the government

Not my child's school. The OP's child's school.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

but let me tell you something. For well over 20 years now these checks have been happening in schools all over the world. I can't for the life of me understand why you have such a problem with a professional doing their job and checking that nothing has been missed in the development of your child. It happens to EVERY CHILD at the age of 4/5 years old, and it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE that this happens.

With consent. Doing it without consent is a new thing. If a professional is doing it without consent, they are not doing their job. It is their job to ask for consent before doing anything.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

It's just the same as your children having to get their injections at certain stages in their younger years, as well as their pre-school injections.
Remember the nit-nurse?? yeah, that's the same person. Only you didn't know that at the time I bet. - But then again apparently you know everything so maybe you did.

It is not the same thing. They still ask before giving injections (at the moment...)

IrishRose12 wrote: »

For someone who claims to know everything it completely baffles me that you did not know or expect this health check in your child's first school year!

Where have I claimed to know everything? Get a grip. Stop making up what I haven't said to fit your own agenda.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

I don't know, I'd hate to know how you would react if someone wasn't doing their job and wasn't checking up on your child and the rest of their classmates.
It's checks like this that help prevent cases like those poor children who have been missed in the world and who have died as a result of schools and health services lack of interest, or plain stupidity that they don't want or bother to do the job they are paid for.

Doing their job with appropriate consent. Not without.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

I've been grateful for the school nurse coming in and checking up on my children in their first year of school. I have nothing to hide, and I've nothing to be embarrassed about. Nor do my children. I'm just glad to know that the children in the school are being looked after, are safe and are not being ignored.

I was grateful too. But with my consent. I would not have been grateful if they had done so without that consent. It is common courtesy to be asked for permission, rather than people just assuming they can do what their employer wants them to in order to meet targets.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

I TRUST the school and it's staff, and even though I have been to both my children's health checks in school, I would have no problem at all of my child going to the school nurse for a quick check-up or to accompany her friends on their visit.

I trust the school and its staff too. Because I know they will ask for consent to do anything. The minute they start assuming things, and not asking for consent, that position will change.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

The school nurse doesn't tell the children anything about their results so this rubbish about worrying about talking to them about their weight etc is just that.... rubbish.
As I said this has been happening in schools for decades now, so if you didn't know this would be happening at some stage this year, then I have no idea where you have been living all these years. If you did know about these checks, and still didn't send word into the school to inform them that you didn't want your child to go, then again, not the school's fault or problem.

It would be the school's fault and problem, as they should be asking for consent. Not expecting those who object to have to pro-actively object.

IrishRose12 wrote: »

And with that, I'm away from this thread, as I cannot believe that there is complaints about something that happens in schools every single year. And the fact that it is a complaint that a child is being checked on to make sure they are OK, that they are safe and healthy. God forbid a child's health and well-being is being focused on in a school setting!!

Bye. Thanks for sharing your views! At least assuming you are happy to have checks carried out saves you the time and bother to of having to agree to these things and be interested in your child's welfare, and leaving it up to the state!

FBaby

surreysaver wrote: »

Just because it is guidance, doesn't mean they have to follow it. Healthcare 'professionals' are required to use their own professional judgement, adhere to the law and their professional standards. Doing things without consent is in contradiction to that.

Have your taken it directly with the Department of Health then?

pollypenny

surreysaver wrote: »

The child of an irresponsible parent is not my concern. My child is of my concern.

Oh, yea, bet you consider that 'there is no such thing as society', too.

Your view is short-sighted. If little Tyler-Joe doesn't learn well, becomes disaffected with school, and life, he's likely to cost the state, and you as a tax payer, more: and there's always the chance that he might burgle me your house or vandalise your car.

surreysaver

FBaby wrote: »

Have your taken it directly with the Department of Health then?

If it affected me I would, yes.

surreysaver

pollypenny wrote: »

Oh, yea, bet you consider that 'there is no such thing as society', too.

Your view is short-sighted. If little Tyler-Joe doesn't learn well, becomes disaffected with school, and life, he's likely to cost the state, and you as a tax payer, more: and there's always the chance that he might burgle me your house or vandalise your car.

Society no longer exists. You have to look after yourself. Too many people relying on the state to look after them, and now expecting the state to make decisions on their behalf, is what causes these problems.

davsidipp

Well I'm glad they excist,getting an appointment at our docs is a nightmare.grandson had a check in school last week,it all came back fine and we were pleased it was done.dont see why any parent would make a fuss on their child's welfare.