Health Checks at School

theoretica

surreysaver wrote: »

Parents' duty, not the state's. The state is required to provide the service, but with parental consent. It is not the job of the state (although more and more people seem to think it is) to dictate what will and what will not happen. If there is proof of negligence by parent(s), then there are steps the state can take to protect the children, and medical staff cannot take those steps themselves, they have to go through the courts.

Fair enough. I will reword that I think it should be the state's duty and within its power to protect children from parental negligence at an earlier stage and with less fuss than is currently needed. Would probably cost less too.

gunsandbanjos

Buellguy wrote: »

And of course these checks are ALWAYS really helpful


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2142014/Obese-children-UK-NHS-branding-hundreds-healthy-happy-children-obese.html

All the kids in that article look at least a bit overweight.

mrcow

surreysaver wrote: »

Fair enough. It's obviously changed (cut backs and all!). Last time I spoke to the optician about it, it was definitely annually.

I think it used to be as well, but I could be wrong.

surreysaver

theoretica wrote: »

Fair enough. I will reword that I think it should be the state's duty and within its power to protect children from parental negligence at an earlier stage and with less fuss than is currently needed. Would probably cost less too.

Agreed. But still through proper channels. You do not want some jumped-up school nurse deciding to perform checks on children without proper parental consent, and trying to claim that you provided consent by not filling out an opt-out form.

Otherwise the next step will be them trying to nick our organs after we're dead, just because we didn't opt out. Or sharing our medical records. You'd never see that happening in Great Britain, would you?

IrishRose12

surreysaver wrote: »

No - it is the school's fault for using opt-out consent in the first place. There is no such thing as 'opt out consent'. Not opting out of something is not the same thing as consenting. In medical situations, anyway.

Well I will agree with you on that point, I do think it's an odd arrangement TBH. Here you are given consent forms home for every little thing, and if you don't consent you don't get, which is what parents complaints are mostly about, if their child didn't get, because they didn't sign the form.
But then again, if you don't like it why send your child to that school?? Or why not inform the school of your wishes?? Again, we're not mind-readers

Surely that is what all those admin staff sitting around in the office get paid to do - chasing after paperwork?

A perfect answer from a parent who knows absolutely nothing about the workings of a school. :wall: Again this is where you show absolute no knowledge of a member of staff's job and show complete ignorance into what people actually do for you and your child.
Simple answer is no - that is not their job.

So, not only without parental consent, you are also misleading the children too? Doubly naughty....

No not misleading them. Is playing a game where you child thinks they are just playing a game, where in fact your child is learning to read for example naughty?? No I think not.
Also when you take your child to the doctors or the opticians, when they are doing things there, when they are getting their needles etc, do you tell them everything will be OK or it won't hurt when infact it does hurt???

You know what. You REALLY need to grow up, go learn and think about how you lie to your child/children everyday. I know you're going to turn around and say I never lie to my child etc, but that is a lie in itself, as whether we mean to or not, everyone lies everyday.

You may also need to go and look up what the jobs of certain people are. Maybe what a Parents job is, then go look at the many different jobs of professionals, from the secretary of a school to a nurse. You might learn a few things along the way.
Maybe even better than that, I'd LOVE for you to swap a days work with a School Secretary for ONE DAY just to see EXACTLY what that job entails, and see what you think afterwards.

This is the perfect example of parents thinking they know everything and know who's to do what job etc when infact it just shows to others that persons ignorance to other people's Jobs!

One last thing, see this thing of no consent???? Its a load of rubbish. If it was an opt out option, and you didn't opt out then you gave your consent by not bothering to let the school know you were opting out. Whether you agree or not, it's your own fault for not informing the school. So have a word with yourself and pay attention next time!

mrcow

IrishRose12 wrote: »

You know what. You REALLY need to grow up, go learn and think about how you lie to your child/children everyday. I know you're going to turn around and say I never lie to my child etc, but that is a lie in itself, as whether we mean to or not, everyone lies everyday.

You may also need to go and look up what the jobs of certain people are. Maybe what a Parents job is, then go look at the many different jobs of professionals, from the secretary of a school to a nurse. You might learn a few things along the way.
Maybe even better than that, I'd LOVE for you to swap a days work with a School Secretary for ONE DAY just to see EXACTLY what that job entails, and see what you think afterwards.

This is the perfect example of parents thinking they know everything and know who's to do what job etc when infact it just shows to others that persons ignorance to other people's Jobs!

One last thing, see this thing of no consent???? Its a load of rubbish. If it was an opt out option, and you didn't opt out then you gave your consent by not bothering to let the school know you were opting out. Whether you agree or not, it's your own fault for not informing the school. So have a word with yourself and pay attention next time!

You are beginning to sound completely unhinged.

A parent may not have returned a form for a multitude of reasons.

At school, if there is a letter that has been missed, then we chase it. It really is not that difficult to do.

And yes, it is part of our job!

surreysaver

IrishRose12 wrote: »

Well I will agree with you on that point, I do think it's an odd arrangement TBH. Here you are given consent forms home for every little thing, and if you don't consent you don't get,
One last thing, see this thing of no consent???? Its a load of rubbish. If it was an opt out option, and you didn't opt out then you gave your consent by not bothering to let the school know you were opting out. Whether you agree or not, it's your own fault for not informing the school.

You first paragraph contradicts your last. On the one hand, you agree that no opt-out does not equal consent. On the other hand not opting out is the parent's fault when something occurs that they have not consented to.
That's why you need to send a form out for every little thing, because you are not mind-readers and you cannot possibly know whether we agree to something unless you ask and we give consent.:wall:

FBaby

Out of curiosity when a baby is born I believe it gets weighed, measured and inspected in the first few days? Is consent asked and what would happen if the parents declined?

Good point, I remember the paediatrician doing the check on my babies before they could be discharge. That evolded checking the hips were in the right position which made my DD scream her guts out and with new released hormones made me want to punch the doctor, but of course refrained from it as I knew she was doing the right thing....she certainly didn't ask me if it was ok with me for her to do the check, instead I was told that without it, she wouldn't be discharged (because she was delayed and there were a few parents waiting for it to finally being able to go home.

Also, I'm confused about the eye check. Is it really the nurse that does it? Because both my kids school eye check was done by an optometrist not a nurse and I thought that was standard procedure. I didn't think an optician were qualified to carry out a medical examination.

surreysaver

theoretica wrote: »

Out of curiosity when a baby is born I believe it gets weighed, measured and inspected in the first few days? Is consent asked and what would happen if the parents declined?

All this would be gone through before the birth. There should be a birth plan, and all of this forms part of the consent process. If the parents declined, the staff would try to persuade them to agree, but if they decline, they decline.

surreysaver

FBaby wrote: »

she certainly didn't ask me if it was ok with me for her to do the check, instead I was told that without it, she wouldn't be discharged

Discharged is an administrative procedure. They would not physically prevent you from leaving. You are not tied to the bed or locked in the hospital! lol.