Meteor Railway parking ticket

louloukoi16

no i didnt appeal this because i was waiting for the ntk? as stated above

bazster

louloukoi16 wrote: »

with this in mind can i create a letter and add this byelaw to it as a reference?

Sure, why not? But make sure you are certain about the signage (or lack thereof). If relevant take photos of the signs and include with your letter.

Don't be in too much of a hurry though. If you can string it out for 6 months then no bye-law prosecution is possible.

Note, also, that the bye-law provides only for a penalty payable by the owner of the vehicle, who would not necessarily be the same person as the keeper, so be careful to fudge the capacity in which you are writing. They can't prosecute the driver if they don't know who was driving, and they can't penalise/prosecute the owner if they don't know who that is.

bazster

louloukoi16 wrote: »

no i didnt appeal this because i was waiting for the ntk? as stated above

So you never received a NTK, it went straight to a bye-laws threat?

louloukoi16

bazster wrote: »

So you never received a NTK, it went straight to a bye-laws threat?

this was recieved on the window
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this isn't our one this was found on google quickly that is the same.

and the letter received today
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this is also not ours but all details same.

louloukoi16

bazster wrote: »

Sure, why not? But make sure you are certain about the signage (or lack thereof). If relevant take photos of the signs and include with your letter.

Don't be in too much of a hurry though. If you can string it out for 6 months then no bye-law prosecution is possible.

Note, also, that the bye-law provides only for a penalty payable by the owner of the vehicle, who would not necessarily be the same person as the keeper, so be careful to fudge the capacity in which you are writing. They can't prosecute the driver if they don't know who was driving, and they can't penalise/prosecute the owner if they don't know who that is.

ive just noticed no appeal on this letter

Coupon-mad

louloukoi16 wrote: »

no i didnt appeal this because i was waiting for the ntk? as stated above

That letter IS the NTK (of sorts). Calm down - this wasn't a PENALTY charge and is not a fine, should NOT be paid.

I do say in the NEWBIES thread that the appeal to the NTK 'or whatever they call it' is to be sent when you get the first letter of any description. So the registered keeper writes to the PPC (use the NEWBIES template first appeal, as normal) and send a copy to 'PCN debt recovery and prosecution service' and you complain to the BPA by email.

And, complain in writing to the TOC and to Passenger Focus, as explained in the 'Successful Complaints about PPCs' sticky thread.

The complaints would be to say that you are the registered keeper, have just got this letter out of the blue. And Meteor are muddying the waters and denying your lawful right to appeal - they did not issue a byelaws penalty, they issued a parking charge notice as far as you can ascertain from your research about this matter (not saying who was driving). As far as you can tell, Meteor only issue 'parking charges not penalties, and the former falls within the BPA Code of practice and the first letter to the keeper has a set format as a 'Notice to keeper'. However, the letter you have received is as far removed from a NTK as you can get and offers no appeal, no POPLA, which is wrong and an unfair business practice.

State in the complaints, that you have written to challenge the charge, despite there being no appeal option offered, and expect the BPA CoP to be followed and a POPLA code issued by this contractor, not more misleading stuff about byelaws which were neither invoked by the PPC nor breached by the driver.

Oh, and when the BPA faff about this complaint, copy in the DVLA and point out how Meteor are muddying the waters and hiding behind a byelaw when in fact they only issued a parking charge notice. Email addies are in the NEWBIES thread at the top of the forum.

HO87

With respect C_M this is a specific byelaw notice from the infamous prosecutions office in Portsmouth.

Here is the linky: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3900/imageqxv.jpg

Stroma

But there is nothing on the ticket saying its a bylaw ticket, and I presume the signs as well?? They want the best of two worlds, first by saying its a ticket with terms and conditions, then if they don't get paid they claim it's a bylaw ticket

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2nkmb7o&s=6#.U3RKjWy9LCQ

Coupon-mad

HO87 wrote: »

With respect C_M this is a specific byelaw notice from the infamous prosecutions office in Portsmouth.

Here is the linky: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3900/imageqxv.jpg

But there has been no penalty charge ever issued.

louloukoi16

14. ENFORCEMENT
Where you park your Vehicle in breach of these terms and conditions, and are in breach of the parking
contract the Company or its Agents may (in its/their absolute discretion) either:-
14.1. Apply a Parking Charge Notice.
A Parking Charge Notice may be attached to your vehicle, handed to you, or sent to the registered address of
the vehicle.
The Parking Charge Notice will specify:-
- the sum you are required to pay
- the time within which payment must be made
- the address to which payment must be sent
The Parking Charge Notice will also explain that unless payment is made in accordance with its terms court
action may be commenced to recover the sums due from you under the PCN together with costs, interest and
any other sums legally recoverable; and/or
14.2. Apply a wheel clamp to your Vehicle.
The Company, its servants and Agents adhere to the British Parking Association’s Code of Practice for the
clamping of vehicles.
Where your Vehicle is clamped notices will be displayed in the Car Park giving a contact telephone number
and also specifying a fee to be paid by you for the removal of the wheel clamp. On payment of the sum the
clamp will be removed as soon as reasonably practicable;
and/or

14.3. Remove your Vehicle
Where your Vehicle has been removed there will be notices displayed in the Car Park giving a contact
telephone number and also specifying the sum to be paid by you before your Vehicle is released.
14.4. All or any of the above enforcement actions may be applied in relation to any of the following:-
- parking on a double yellow line
- parking other than in a designated parking bay
- parking in a time restricted waiting area and being in excess of the allowed time
- parking in a blue badge holder bay without displaying the required ticket
- being parked other than in a single designated parking bay
- parking in any area restricted for use by season permit holders without displaying a valid season
permit.
- failing to display a valid ticket voucher or permit
- failing to observe any vehicle size restrictions displayed at the Car Park
- being otherwise in breach of those terms and conditions of parking
14.5. Where you take any action or omit to take any action in relation to the use of the car park and/or your
vehicle, the company reserves the right to take any action it considers appropriate in accordance with railway
byelaws in addition to any other action the company may take in accordance with this condition 14.
14.6. These terms and conditions are in addition to and without prejudice to any other legal rights and/or
remedies of whatsoever nature that the company may have against you in relation to your Vehicle and /or the
use of the car parks.
14.7 The company reserves the right to contact the DVLA to request keeper details if Parking Charge
Notices are not paid.


i went and checked last night seems to have a mention of bylaws