Nice People Thread Number 11 - A Treasury of Nice People

vivatifosi

chewmylegoff wrote: »

As I was saying....

It's never good when your best passes are to your own goalkeeper.

PasturesNew

Nikkster wrote: »

It's a fair distance from here to there. If I'm spending the day being put to work I'd rather not drive back at night tired.

Drive down straight after work on Friday if you want. It always feels like a longer weekend if you do that.

Come/stay as long/short as you like. There's space ... and local services/nice places to wander to that are all "posh/genteel" and not "rough/dodgy".

PasturesNew

Who Do You Think You Are. Freeview channel 19, Yesterday channel. Richard Maddeley - one of those breakfast TV couple people.

Not overly interested in him, but I do like some of the stories they uncover.

Just been trying to trace what happened to all my G-G-GM's kids. Bit complex - She seems to have got pregnant by one guy (different last name), then married a local widow who already had kids; then had many kids with him. He died, she dumped her youngest ones in the workhouse and legged it, got arrested and thrown into gaol (twice) in the next month for that .... next census she seems to have some of the (younger) kids with her, older one's alone (aged 18) in the workhouse still ....

I've found a couple of online family trees where people are descendants of two kids that were thrown into the workhouse, but there's plenty more. So, tried to find one - and there appears to be one other person with his name (of course he could have changed his name, or gone abroad).... and the person with that name seems "too sophisticated" to be him. Census has him living with 3 sisters and a housekeeper, in London, as a barrister's clerk; so I don't think that can be him ... and that clerk then ended up in gaol for carrying a gun and breaking into a client's house to steal diamonds. So altogether too sophisticated a lifestyle for an illegitimate/workhouse agricultural labourer who probably couldn't write his own name.

neverdespairgirl

We've just been out for dinner - the 4 of us, but Danny was a non-combatent for the actual meal.

A really, really good Indian restaurant in Shoreditch, called Dishoom - highly recommended. http://www.dishoom.com/

chewmylegoff

vivatifosi wrote: »

It's never good when your best passes are to your own goalkeeper.

At least we have an excuse already lined up as the Uruguayan captain should have been sent off after about half an hour. We can blame that and also Rooney. It's always better when there's someone to blame.

PasturesNew

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

We've just been out for dinner - the 4 of us, but Danny was a non-combatent for the actual meal.

A really, really good Indian restaurant in Shoreditch, called Dishoom - highly recommended. http://www.dishoom.com/

I've never seen a posh indian restaurant menu before! It's not like a takeaway offering is it!

Love indian food.

PasturesNew

Just looking at "what's on" in case the Nikkster does visit .... seems to be in luck with "free things to wander to and stare at ... perchance to nibble too".

One food festival by the sea .... and a fundraising fete with cake stalls at a free entry museum right by a free huge church building (of particular historical note). Could do a 2 mile Round Robin walk to take in the High Street, castle ruin, big church, cake stalls/fete, harbour, ancient building and finally a foodfest and beach.

silvercar

PasturesNew wrote: »

Who Do You Think You Are. Freeview channel 19, Yesterday channel. Richard Maddeley - one of those breakfast TV couple people.

Not overly interested in him, but I do like some of the stories they uncover.

Just been trying to trace what happened to all my G-G-GM's kids. Bit complex - She seems to have got pregnant by one guy (different last name), then married a local widow who already had kids; then had many kids with him. He died, she dumped her youngest ones in the workhouse and legged it, got arrested and thrown into gaol (twice) in the next month for that .... next census she seems to have some of the (younger) kids with her, older one's alone (aged 18) in the workhouse still ....

I've found a couple of online family trees where people are descendants of two kids that were thrown into the workhouse, but there's plenty more. So, tried to find one - and there appears to be one other person with his name (of course he could have changed his name, or gone abroad).... and the person with that name seems "too sophisticated" to be him. Census has him living with 3 sisters and a housekeeper, in London, as a barrister's clerk; so I don't think that can be him ... and that clerk then ended up in gaol for carrying a gun and breaking into a client's house to steal diamonds. So altogether too sophisticated a lifestyle for an illegitimate/workhouse agricultural labourer who probably couldn't write his own name.

In this day and age they would have been housed and cared for by society/ the state/ NHS mental health team/ social workers/ benefits etc at least I'd like to think so.

Nikkster

PasturesNew wrote: »

Just looking at "what's on" in case

You're not doing a very good job of putting me off

PasturesNew

silvercar wrote: »

In this day and age they would have been housed and cared for by society/ the state/ NHS mental health team/ social workers/ benefits etc at least I'd like to think so.

Yes, easy street now. I know later in life she was in another village listed as "housekeeper" and when I dug around a little further I realised she was housekeeping for her father's sister's widowed elderly husband.... so "family".

I think that's what women did - you married blokes to get looked after, often much older ones. And if you were too old to attract a husband, you tried to find family that had room for you and needed somebody to keep house. If you had none of that it was the workhouse.

I've tracked down a photo of where she was in the 1881 Census which seems to be the corner of a field and I've read the history of the surrounding area/hamlets from that time and a lot of people made a living digging out fossilised poo and living in tents at the roadsides... so I suspect her "address" was simply the clearing in the trees where they'd erected a tent.

I prefer this approach of going back so far, then trying to trace it all back down etc as you really have more of an idea what's going on. e.g. the motivations and reasons why people did what they did or moved.

e.g. I thought about why she'd tossed the kids into the workhouse and, in court, couldn't give a reason... and I suspect it might have been a combination of (5 kids in tow) and a slight depression from bereavement, followed by a local downturn in the economy (less work generally) and then I checked the weather records (as she did this just before winter) - and discovered the previous winter had been "the coldest ever" and the spring/summer had also been "almost the coldest ones ever recorded".... so I figure she just gave up and knew she couldn't traipse all those kids from bush to bush for another winter.