Another public sector pay outrage

ruggedtoast

Nikkster wrote: »

Not everyone in the private sector is getting a payrise this year either. and they experience the same inflation on costs of living....

Public sector workers do the most important jobs. Many people in the private sector pack punnets or work for WH Smith.

You are not comparing like with like.

Witless

michaels wrote: »

(...the gold plated pensions)

I wonder if you have any idea what those pensions cost the employee in contributions?

Not the freebie you seem to think.

As for the 'gold plated' - don't believe all you hear: the change from RPI to CPI makes quite a difference.

But hey ... let's jump on the 'bash the public sector' bandwagon - it's easier than looking where the money actually went!

92203

Meanwhile ;

Councillors at Lincolnshire County Council have approved an increase for their own allowances by 23.4%.

http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2014/02/lincolnshire-councillors-approve-23-allowance-increase/

*Rinse & Repeat up and down the country.

Nikkster

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Public sector workers do the most important jobs. Many people in the private sector pack punnets or work for WH Smith.

You are not comparing like with like.

I work in the private sector, but neither pack punnets nor work for WH Smith, though of course many people do.

I wouldn't disagree that many public sector workers do very important jobs, but I'm not convinced that every public sector job is automatically more important than mine. I was merely trying to point out that there aren't pay rises everywhere in the private sector. If the public sector is so under-rewarded, perhaps the workers should consider a change of direction in their career?

ruggedtoast

Nikkster wrote: »

I work in the private sector, but neither pack punnets nor work for WH Smith, though of course many people do.

I wouldn't disagree that many public sector workers do very important jobs, but I'm not convinced that every public sector job is automatically more important than mine. I was merely trying to point out that there aren't pay rises everywhere in the private sector. If the public sector is so under-rewarded, perhaps the workers should consider a change of direction in their career?

Public sector service is a vocation for many. They are taking advantage of people's good will. I dont mind if people pack a punnet for a living, I have done so myself, and chopped and changed jobs with abandon; but you expect better if you if you are serving your country.

michaels

Witless wrote: »

I wonder if you have any idea what those pensions cost the employee in contributions?

Not the freebie you seem to think.

As for the 'gold plated' - don't believe all you hear: the change from RPI to CPI makes quite a difference.

But hey ... let's jump on the 'bash the public sector' bandwagon - it's easier than looking where the money actually went!

Do you have any idea what percentage of my salary it would cost me to buy 1/60th of my final salary as a pension for life? :eek:

The 35% higher median salary is no doubt also a figment of my imagination.

And the 3% payband increment is the equivalent of £0per week take home....

Graham_Devon

Yorkie1 wrote: »

I think the pay deal is probably the best that can be achieved / offered by the NHS; it's just the apparent hypocrisy between the 2 situations within a matter of months.

The other stark hypocrisy is the line on bankers bonuses and bankers in general from the government.

Apparently to get the best you have to pay the best, hence they won't do anything to try and curb any of what some may see as excess pay or bonuses.

Yet when it comes to the public sector, apparently this no longer applies, and to get the best out of the public sector, you have to pay as little as you can get away with.

For all the talk of the recovery, this pay agreement is a reminder that we are still in dire circumstances.

Graham_Devon

michaels wrote: »

Median public sector pay is only 35% higher than median private sector pay (before considering the extra holidays or the gold plated pensions)

It's a comparison that cannot be made.

We don't have an abundance of private police, teachers, doctors, fire services, nurses, planning officers etc to do a comparison against.

The other issue is a lot of the lower paying jobs have been outsourced to the private sector, and therefore, it makes public sector pay look higher.

I remember a thread in discussion time some years back now where people were comparing cleaners in the NHS to cleaners in the public sector. There was an outcry as to how much cleaners in the NHS got compared to those in the private sector.

The problem was, the article had referenced a infection specialist in the public sector as a mere cleaner. It was a telegraph article and they appear to have huge issues with the public sector. They then compared that infection specialist labelled as a cleaner to a cleaner paid by an agency in the private sector.

Unfortunately, these things stick and people keep trying to make comparisons where you can't really make comparisons. Public and private sector employees ultimately do very different things. What the public sector does, the private sector rarely does, at least not on a grand scale.

Backbiter

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Public sector workers do the most important jobs.

Nonsense. Nurses, doctors, ambulance drivers, firefighters, teachers, the forces, coastguards, the police are non-wealth-creating parasites. The country needs more people who set up betting shops and copy-cat passport-application websites.

carslet

tough s**t if they dont like it get another job, i have not had a pay rise for 4 years but it is my choice to stay