Would you expect work men to clean up afterwards?

tired_dad

Plastering is about the messiest job you can do. Stuff goes everywhere.

Boils down to what was agreed. If not agreed pre job and you've gone for the cheapest cash in hand job then I think you've learned a lesson.

Should sort itself out over a few weeks of routine cleaning. Will be back to normal afterwards.

We had all ceiling a plastered to hide artex. Everyone who quoted warned us off the implication regarding a mess.

JustAnotherSaver

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

course it is, glue and clamp till set.

Having no idea myself i didn't know if that was a stupid question or not.

Still, it's not the point. I recently broke someones adjustable wrench they lent me. I didn't just put it back & not say anything. I told them & offered to sort it.

tired_dad wrote: »

Boils down to what was agreed. If not agreed pre job and you've gone for the cheapest cash in hand job then I think you've learned a lesson.

Certainly not the cheapest job at all, although was cash in hand.
The boss turned up, had a look at the job, we told him what we wanted, he told us what they'd do & how long it'd take & that was it. No paperwork was even spoken of.

Should sort itself out over a few weeks of routine cleaning. Will be back to normal afterwards.

True. I know all the worktops are cleanable. It's just going to take many bowls & a lot of time, but it's certainly cleanable i know that.

ceredigion

I'm a spread and yes I always tidy up / clean up after myself. More often than not ,its cleaner than when it was when I started. You would be surprised how many properties make you want to puke, once you go beyond the initial service. As for removal of the rubbish , don't kid yourself, it doesn't come free. Not only is there my time and transport ,its also classed as commercial waste if I take it. So there is a council charge as well. It much depends on the job , if its a big job I get a skip in which is estimated for , client pays the bill. Its actually the little jobs where you produce a couple of bags full of rubbish that are a bigger problem. Normally write on the estimate that disposal of is not included but will be removed at cost if required. The problem is ,if you include it and your competitor doesn't , you look more expensive at face value. Which may not be true.
To the op, having just flicked through 30 something photos on your photo bucket account , I'm not entirely convinced that you're telling the whole truth here. You've obviously had fairly extensive works carried out , not just the one wall you allude to . If I was dragged into a house that had a carpet down and works were being carried out to that level , would almost certainly assume the carpet didn't matter as it was to be replaced anyway. If you didn't say otherwise , would think you're at least partly to blame. As for the door that hasn't just happened , been on the way off for a long time. All of which makes me question your motive in posting the original message.

warehouse

I once had a flat roof replaced, paid the contractor after day 1 and never saw them again. They forgot to come back and remove the old roof.

That was 20 years ago. Since then I have NEVER paid any contractor the full amount until I'm totally satisfied with the job. It's one of the best lessons you can learn.

OP, that's life, learn and move on. Make sure nobody you knows ever uses this plasterer again.

ceredigion

If you walk around tescos , took a box of cornflakes off the shelf and then said to the cashier , I will come back and pay for these when im totally satisfied, how far do you think you'd get?
Why should the tradesmen trust the customer? You obviously don't trust the tradesman , but you expect him to trust you to pay the bill. Life is a two way street.

moneyistooshorttomention

lessonlearned wrote: »

Money - good to see you are making progress now. Chin up it will soon be over. Just think how fab it's all going to be.

Bathroom now complete on Prop 2. Dead posh.!!!

Trying hard to keep that chin up LessonLearned:cool:. It will be a change not having to try and live in one small room and clamber over all sorts of possessions in my bedroom to get to my bed. Restful this house aint at present:cool:.

Only consolations to keep me going being that I've had various compliments on a "good job" about some expensive outside work I had done (ie new fascia boards/gutters/downpipes all round) and other comments to effect that my lounge will be a "nice room" once its done. I'm counting the days until I can use that lounge <smilie of parched figure crawling through desert with tongue hanging out for drink of water>.

People with lots of money are buying in this area now, so I presume there might possibly be a good knock-on effect for me at some point from that?? It seems to be the case, as far as I can make out, that the dearer house hereabouts are going rather quicker than they did and maybe this will trickle down at some point to the cheaper ones?

Bet you managed to get that "dead posh" bathroom in that house for less than I did. Oh well...congratulations on that if you did:T

moneyistooshorttomention

ceredigion wrote: »

If you walk around tescos , took a box of cornflakes off the shelf and then said to the cashier , I will come back and pay for these when im totally satisfied, how far do you think you'd get?
Why should the tradesmen trust the customer? You obviously don't trust the tradesman , but you expect him to trust you to pay the bill. Life is a two way street.

So what concrete proposal do you have as to how the customer can be protected against bad standard of workmanship, other than the obvious one of not paying at least a substantial portion of the cost until the full job has been finished and the customer can assess whether everything is done satisfactorily?

DRP

ceredigion wrote: »

If you walk around tescos , took a box of cornflakes off the shelf and then said to the cashier , I will come back and pay for these when im totally satisfied, how far do you think you'd get?
Why should the tradesmen trust the customer? You obviously don't trust the tradesman , but you expect him to trust you to pay the bill. Life is a two way street.

Tesco probably not a great example as they are very likely to give you a refund if the product isn't up to standard as they are a fairly reputable company.

In the example of the OP and in many cases when Joe Public hires a tradesman, it is prudent to have some leverage (retention or paying only when satisfied with the results) in case there is an issue with their work.

plumb1_2

OMG OP, Cant you have just phoned the firm when seeing the mess they left, and sort it out like a normal person would. Whats this got to do with moneysaving?? Internet troll venting your spleen ???

Damage to the telephone socket?? it was your job to make sure it was removed before plastering The damaged door, cant believe a plasterer would have done that, sure it wasn't like that before and are just trying to lay blame???

Stop whingeing, get on with life, and don't pay for work until your are satisfied with it.

JustAnotherSaver

ceredigion wrote: »

As for the door that hasn't just happened , been on the way off for a long time. All of which makes me question your motive in posting the original message.

You what???!!! Excuse me!!

Are you another one of these people who look for something that isn't there? I read your post & thought this is quite helpful but as i read on i didn't appreciate the angle you were coming from.

I don't "allude to" anything. We've had our living room re-plastered. I've said it before & in case you didn't get it then, you just need to ask - what specifically has been done & i'll be happy to tell you. There is no "alluding" here at all.

And don't try & tell me what has or has not just happened. You're not there!! It's ME who will be telling YOU what has & hasn't just happened. That door was fine. The wife took it off & it was fine. I put it on & it was fine. I came to move it this weekend & it's as you see it in the photo. You work it out. But as you seem to have some other motive, i suspect you'll say i went at it with a chisel just for the sole purpose of creating this thread :rotfl:

As for the photobucket thing, i'll have to look at making that private since it just results in people jumping to the wrong conclusions, probably because that's what they're wanting to jump to...

After dealing with your tosh, onto the helpful part of your post......

As for removal of the rubbish , don't kid yourself, it doesn't come free. Not only is there my time and transport ,its also classed as commercial waste if I take it. So there is a council charge as well.

That is fair enough & i accept that.

However the tradesman should give the quote, give the information & shouldn't assume.
IMO the tradesman should assume everyone is a know-nothing, because that way nothing should get missed. By that i mean in this instance, the tradesman would say XYZ is the quote, however that is without us removing the waste. IF you want us to do this then ABC is the quote.
Everyone is then on the same page.

I've never experienced this & (wrongly) thought they'd clear up after themselves. This is based on me being brought up to always clean up after myself & i (wrongly) assumed others did the same. Yes in part i'm to blame for that, but i know(knew) no different. They know the game & should've said ...... if you want us to remove waste then it'll cost more, our policy is to not remove waste.

warehouse wrote: »

OP, that's life, learn and move on. Make sure nobody you knows ever uses this plasterer again.

Agreed.

The thing is, it'd be easier if their work was rubbish, but to my untrained eye, it's not.

If they'd have said we're going to come in & not remove our rubbish then i wouldn't have been disappointed because i'd have known from the outset.

That doesn't change the fact that i'm not happy about the door & wallpaper though. The no dust sheet thing is just a minor annoyance, it wouldn't be enough for me to complain directly about it.

ceredigion wrote: »

If you walk around tescos , took a box of cornflakes off the shelf and then said to the cashier , I will come back and pay for these when im totally satisfied, how far do you think you'd get?
Why should the tradesmen trust the customer? You obviously don't trust the tradesman , but you expect him to trust you to pay the bill. Life is a two way street.

Not one side is going to be totally satisfied.

The customer doesn't want to pay until the job is complete, in case it's crap or the jobber does a runner.
The one jobbing doesn't want to complete without payment in case the customer doesn't pay. There needs to be middle ground.

You say why should the tradesmen trust the customer.
Well i say why should the customer trust the tradesmen?

IMO trust is earned, not just given willy-nilly.

plumb1 wrote: »

OMG OP, Cant you have just phoned the firm when seeing the mess they left, and sort it out like a normal person would. Whats this got to do with moneysaving?? Internet troll venting your spleen ???

Damage to the telephone socket?? it was your job to make sure it was removed before plastering The damaged door, cant believe a plasterer would have done that, sure it wasn't like that before and are just trying to lay blame???

Stop whingeing, get on with life, and don't pay for work until your are satisfied with it.

If i remember correctly, you're one of those who seem to like to follow me about on this forum whinging about my posts, just talking basic crap ("cant believe a plasterer would have done that, sure it wasn't like that before and are just trying to lay blame" - for example.) Really if i was playing that game, why would i need to put that on a forum? To 'convince' a load of people i've never met & never will meet? No. Grow up & find someone else to follow.

What's it got to do with money saving? So you're telling me if i could be bothered to trawl through your posts, each & every one of them is about saving the pounds & pennies? Ok, whatever.