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mattcanary

BillJones wrote: »

That makes no sense at all. None.

I hesitate to use an analogy, as people are so unwilling to take the intended meaning of of them round here, but here we go...

A town has 500 people going hungry, but just over the river, their neigbours have spare capacity, and throw out meals enough for fifty people every night. When one of the hungry people is asked why they go hungry, when there is free food only a few miles away, they look indignant and say "but there's only enough food being thrown away for fifty of us", how can we all eat.

So that night, 500 people go hungry, and enough food for fifty is thrown away again.

Basically, the ratio is menaingless, it does not stop any given individual from getting a job.

Stupid analogy.

You blame people for being unemployed, when using your analogy 450 people would be hungry out of the 500. (or 450 out of 500 jobseekers would still not be in work).

Not sure what you're trying to prove.....

Lith

Sounds rough,

I was always under the impression 'they cant just send you on a course' unless you sign/confirmed/know about one? 0_o That how it was for me 12 years ago lol

my my how times have changed...

Denning.

mattcanary wrote: »

Stupid analogy.

You blame people for being unemployed, when using your analogy 450 people would be hungry out of the 500. (or 450 out of 500 jobseekers would still not be in work).

Not sure what you're trying to prove.....

What they are saying is that many of the 500 people use 'There aren't enough jobs' as justification for making insufficient effort to get a job. It allows them to blame someone else for their situations rather than themselves. There are 50 jobs available, no reason any one of those 500 people can't get one of them.

Only when there are no jobs left can you actually blame someone else, because no matter what you do if there is no job you can't get one.

stix62

Denning. wrote: »

What they are saying is that many of the 500 people use 'There aren't enough jobs' as justification for making insufficient effort to get a job. It allows them to blame someone else for their situations rather than themselves. There are 50 jobs available, no reason any one of those 500 people can't get one of them.

Only when there are no jobs left can you actually blame someone else, because no matter what you do if there is no job you can't get one.

What they ARE saying is none of the 500 can be bothered at all - and hence they all go hungry. In reality if 50 jobs were to appear it's a fair bet they would all be filled and have multiple applications for each. So back to that lousy analogy, a vast majority of the 500 would at least start the walk.

I have just got a job but I still agree with those that say there are not enough!

lakes17

I completely agree with Stix62. 50 jobs 500 applications from people out of work would still leave 450 people out of work!! Added to which if some who are already in work applied and got the job (which seems the norm) then that would leave considerably more than 450 out of work!!

BillJones

Denning. wrote: »

It has never occurred to me to think of it that way.

It's a bit like the story about the two guys out on safari, who notice that they are being staked by a lion. One of them crouches down, and starts tightening his laces; "Do you really think you can outrun him?" asks the other.

"I don't think so" he replies "but I'm pretty sure I can outrun you."

Many businesses struggle to find the staff that they need, and there are hundreds of thousands of good jobs available at any one time.

BillJones

mattcanary wrote: »

Stupid analogy.

You blame people for being unemployed, when using your analogy 450 people would be hungry out of the 500. (or 450 out of 500 jobseekers would still not be in work).

Not sure what you're trying to prove.....

No, it seems that you genuinely don't get it.

Oh well, that's your loss, not mine.

paulineb_2

There are lots of jobs available. The problem is in that many areas people could fill them 100 times over. I had two interviews in 2010, I had been unemployed for about 4 months at that time. Both minimum wage jobs.
The first employer didnt even bother to tell me she wasnt hiring me and I did follow that up. The second took a month to send me a rejection letter.

Employers can pretty much pick and choose their staff at the moment.

Again, it goes back to what are people doing to make themselves more employable. Yes its possible for people who have been unemployed for some time who havent done very much in the period of unemployment to get a job, I know people who have done so. However, they had decent qualifications and specific to the job they were applying for.

Its a pretty basic fact that people will be compared on paper to other candidates and at interview, so the selling yourself as it were can comprise of a few things.

Ive interviewed a lot of people in previous jobs and turned some very good candidates down, well qualified, experienced because there were other people who performed better at interview.

Its also possible to go for a lot of interviews before you get another job. When I was applying for a promoted post around ten years ago, having been an assistant manager in the line of work I worked in and wanted to move on and manage a project, it took me at least half a dozen interviews to get that move.

Even people who are well skilled and well qualified can struggle. People who aren't may struggle a lot more.

Morglin

Denning. wrote: »

Yes I could live on £71.

Only someone that has never had to live on £71 per week could come out with that.....:rotfl::rotfl:

I couldn't live on that, and nor could anyone else, over time, because it is not just about food, it's also about fuel, clothes, fares, etc., etc.,

I bet you think Dismal Duncan Smith really is a good Christian and an all round good guy......:eek::eek:

And, no, I have never claimed UB, I pay loads of taxes, and worked for donkey's years, before you ask.......;)

Lin

AndyBSG

gay_guy wrote: »

You stated, what else have I got to do?

Well lets see, how about Job seeking because how the hell can I apply for jobs when I am on work placement 9am to 5pm?

And this attitude ladies and gentleman proves why GG has been out of work for so long...

Employers don't want to employ people with a "can't" attitude who constantly find reasons not to do things or overcome problems.

They do want to employ people who find ways to work around obstacles, such as simply applying for jobs during the evening or weekend when you're unavailable dutring the day!