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I start a Work Placement

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  • red_devil
    red_devil Posts: 10,793 Forumite
    BillJones wrote: »
    It really is, though, for just about everyone. Members of my family who've been let go from jobs in recent years have all found work within a few days. Proper work, paying well over average pay.

    You've got to have worked pretty hard at avoiding qualifications and experience for a lot of years to be completely unemployable.

    Your out of touch badly.
    :footie:
  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 2,187 Forumite
    Affynity wrote: »
    So basically, you're saying it doesnt matter that 90% of people go hungry in one given time value, because there's flux in the system giving everybody a turn at some point

    No, I'm saying that anyone complaining of hunger when there is free food being thrown out a mile away has no reason to complain, as they could go and have the free food.

    Do you struggle in life in general due to this tendency to misrepresent simple examples and analogies?
  • red_devil
    red_devil Posts: 10,793 Forumite
    paulineb wrote: »
    Someone reported you to your work placement (or so they said), I assume because you were complaining about having to go, so that you would be sanctioned and your JSA would stop

    I assume it was a troll post or your placement would have mentioned it to you

    Just goes to show how sick some people are if they come on and say that.
    :footie:
  • Affynity
    Affynity Posts: 145 Forumite
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    BillJones wrote: »
    No. As I said, I hesitate to use an analogy a someone will insist on purposely taking the wrong feature of it as the pertinent one.

    It was designed to point out that there being fewer jobs than unemployed people today does not in any way justify "I can't find a job", by showing that fewer resources than people who'd wish to use them does not mean that any individual is excluded.

    But ultimately it does, because there will come a point where there aren't enough jobs remaining.
    I understand that fundamentally, the statement "I can't get a job" is flawed so long as those 500,000 jobs exist, but that's not that different to saying "I can win the lottery" simply because the probably isn't zero.

    The real problem with this sad ratio is that it translates wasted government spending.
    If you have jobs:seekers or 1:4, that's 75p wasted on every £1 spent on welfare to work.

    Say, for example, the government spent £10M on delivering the Work Programme.
    That's at least £7.5M down the drain.
    And, while you could argue, that you'd get some returns on the reduced benefit bill and increased taxes, you're still paying for Jobcentre Plus, which does some of the Work concurrently...
  • paulineb_2
    paulineb_2 Posts: 6,489 Forumite
    I think the unemployable and easy to find work arguments are different. I certainly didnt find it easy job hunting. I spent 2011 working part time and desperate to find a second part time job and couldnt. In my area there are some jobs where you have 300 people chasing one vacancy.

    I wouldnt write someone off as being unemployable either, what I would say and have said before its that its clear some people arent helping themselves.

    Lots of things you can do for free such as short courses when you are signing on or on a low income. Ive done first aid, food hygiene at a local college and I got a fee waiver.

    Some people like to put obstacles in their own way.
  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 2,187 Forumite
    Affynity wrote: »
    But ultimately it does, because there will come a point where there aren't enough jobs remaining.

    And on that day unemployed people will genuinely have a reason to say that their destiny is no longer in their own hands.

    Until then, though, there are hundreds of thousands of jobs available, employers crying out for good staff and, at exactly the same time, a small proportion of the unemployed who simply do not want to fill those roles.
  • lakes17
    lakes17 Posts: 283 Forumite
    AP007 wrote: »
    Who cares about bad credit? I think lots of people do as I don't have a bad credit rating but would for SIX YEARS if I miss a payment.

    I don't chose to 'live' on benefits.
    And having this on your credit file could hinder your chances of gaining employment. A number of jobs especially in the financial/accounts sector credit check a candidate as part of there recruitment process.
  • Denning.
    Denning. Posts: 2,749 Forumite
    BillJones wrote: »
    And on that day unemployed people will genuinely have a reason to say that their destiny is no longer in their own hands.

    Until then, though, there are hundreds of thousands of jobs available, employers crying out for good staff and, at exactly the same time, a small proportion of the unemployed who simply do not want to fill those roles.

    It has never occurred to me to think of it that way.
  • redcard
    redcard Posts: 1,563 Forumite
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    Denning. wrote: »
    It has never occurred to me to think of it that way.


    Probably a good thing, because he is talking absolute twaddle
    Hope over Fear. #VoteYes
  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    lakes17 wrote: »
    And having this on your credit file could hinder your chances of gaining employment. A number of jobs especially in the financial/accounts sector credit check a candidate as part of there recruitment process.
    Hence not wanting a bad credit record or if you want to get a mortgage or rent a place they do credit checks too and you are screwed.
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