I start a Work Placement

szam_

red_devil wrote: »

How did i. You are praising placements. I am saying its punishment for the unemployed and a way to fiddle the figures. There is nothing good about it all. Read boycott welfare site.

Yes, you have missed the point, it's a chance at a good reference even if it is at a charity. What would I prefer if I was long term unemployed but wanting work? A decent reference to perhaps increase my chances and something to put on my CV as a positive, or nothing at all which will hinder my chances?

I know what I'd rather have.

And I'd rather not read blatantly bias websites, thanks.

red_devil

szam_ wrote: »

Yes, you have missed the point, it's a chance at a good reference even if it is at a charity. What would I prefer if I was long term unemployed but wanting work? A decent reference to perhaps increase my chances and something to put on my CV as a positive, or nothing at all which will hinder my chances?

I know what I'd rather have.

And I'd rather not read blatantly bias websites, thanks.

He has workex there before so should have got a reference anyway.

A work placement will not get you a job infact if they see youve been on workfare your at a disadvantage. They know youve been unemployed a while. Its a stigma actually.

melysion

red_devil wrote: »

He has workex there before so should have got a reference anyway.

A work placement will not get you a job infact if they see youve been on workfare your at a disadvantage. They know youve been unemployed a while. Its a stigma actually.

They only have to look at your CV to see how long you have been unemployed. And the fact is, some people have been helped back to work thanks to a work placement.

KevInChester

Set your own placement up, it helped me a lot. I ended up having a choice of some varied and interesting placements. From those I got an excellent reference which helped me obtain paid work.

Twisted_Cherry

paulineb wrote: »

Ive posted on the boards before. Ive worked part time and I was worse off after rent and travel costs were taken into account. I didnt get enough hours to get WTC, I didnt even get my NI stamp paid, I was worse off than I would have been on JSA, but for my own sake and to get something on the CV I took the work.

I dont earn tons of money now, Im a freelance fitness instructor. If I wasnt doing that, Id probably still be sitting on the dole now. I do know what its like to live in a poor area where there are hundreds of people chasing jobs. I also certainly dont agree with everything the Govt are trying to do re workfare.

But there has to come a point where people take responsibility for themselves. I do know people who are happy to live on benefit. Some people on the estate I live on get a very decent amount of benefits. One woman has 6 kids and she'll get at least the equivalent of £14000 a year in benefits, proabably more. I do know kids are expensive as well, but with income support and child tax credits I bet she was better off than I was when I was on JSA of 71 quid a week. Theres no incentive for people like her to work because childcare costs are so high. I think shes worked perhaps a few weeks in the 20 or so years shes been here and I only know that because there was an issue about her being evicted for rent arrears which somehow I got dragged into (her mates threatend to burn my home down because she thought Id reported her for anti social behaviour, she was actually evicted for non payment of rent, I didnt report her or know anything about it until I was threatened).

It is a lifestyle choice for some people. Not all. I hear conversations on the bus where people have spoken openly about what they will do if they are kicked off what was the old Incapacity Benefit, fake an epileptic fit etc. Some people dont want to work. Some people want to work very much. I wouldnt label every single person who is unemployed as work shy, I know how tough it is. But some people dont want to come off benefits.

And some people dont make life any easier for themselves by trying to start poor me threads when other people who have been unemployed got off their !!!! and retrained and managed to find work. My brother was out of work for some time, he actually got offered two jobs with the civil service, but there wasnt a position for him at that time, they told him it would be 12 months. He retrained as a gym instructor and hes now a personal trainer.

I also dont think its necessary to have perfect spelling or grammar and I wouldnt necessarily label anyone unemployable. But there are things people who are on JSA can do. Volunteer, look into part time study. I know its tough, but some people really dont help themselves with their attitude.

No one owes anyone a living.

I agree with everything you said. I've paid taxes and NI in previous jobs but have been out of work for coming up to 7 years due to ill health. I am however keen to return back to work by the end of the year. Working out figures I know I am never going to walk into a job that pays what my benefits pay now... but I am making the choice to stand on my own two feet again and get back out to earn my own wages. I guess after 7 years out of work, I will be starting at the bottom, but I have bettered myself with some classes in college and voluntary work so my CV is not completely empty. I look forward to the day I can wave goodbye to benefits and get paid a wage again!

red_devil

melysion wrote: »

They only have to look at your CV to see how long you have been unemployed. And the fact is, some people have been helped back to work thanks to a work placement.

It takes paid jobs away. Asda were sending staff home at christmas because they had people who could do it for free.

its not good. Its slave labour.

Twisted_Cherry

red_devil wrote: »

He has workex there before so should have got a reference anyway.

A work placement will not get you a job infact if they see youve been on workfare your at a disadvantage. They know youve been unemployed a while. Its a stigma actually.

Then go to college and gain some qualifications and take on some voluntary work found off your own back rather than expecting the JC to babysit you!

melysion

red_devil wrote: »

It takes paid jobs away. Asda were sending staff home at christmas because they had people who could do it for free.

its not good. Its slave labour.

Not in charity shops, as there are no paid positions. And it might give you enough recent experience for you to get a paid retail job elsewhere.

red_devil

Twisted_Cherry wrote: »

I agree with everything you said. I've paid taxes and NI in previous jobs but have been out of work for coming up to 7 years due to ill health. I am however keen to return back to work by the end of the year. Working out figures I know I am never going to walk into a job that pays what my benefits pay now... but I am making the choice to stand on my own two feet again and get back out to earn my own wages. I guess after 7 years out of work, I will be starting at the bottom, but I have bettered myself with some classes in college and voluntary work so my CV is not completely empty. I look forward to the day I can wave goodbye to benefits and get paid a wage


again!

being out of work so long you will be at a terrible disadvantage. Hope you prove me wrong.

Twisted_Cherry

red_devil wrote: »

It takes paid jobs away. Asda were sending staff home at christmas because they had people who could do it for free.

its not good. Its slave labour.

It's gaining valuable experience.