Apple MacBook pro...

Deru

shortchanged wrote: »

Does a Fiat have a Ferrari engine, Ferrari brakes, upholstery?? No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xYpPgEsk7Y

Fiat 500 with Ferrari engine.

Dad's boss bought one for £40,000.

securityguy

shortchanged wrote: »

I don't use MS, I use Linux. So how can I be Microshafted?

To those of us who have using Unix since 6th edition (on a pdp11/34, nostalgia fans), there is something unbearably smug about new Linux converts. It's akin to being told the health risks of smoking by someone who's given up, when you've never smoked.

Everyone I know who's got a battered photocopy of the Lions Book now uses a Mac. Perhaps we all need some Linux users to tell us what we're doing wrong.

almillar

shortchanged, as securityguy says, that display is ancient history.
Compared to the £1099 13 inch MacBook Pro (retina, with no DVD drive) and the cheaper £489 Lenovo (free delivery?):
Both dual core i5 processors, I'm not sure of the model number of the Mac one.
Both 4GB RAM
The Mac can take 16GB, the Lenovo, 8GB
128GB PCIe SSD vs 1TB HDD (you'll agree the SSD costs far more)
2560x1600 screen versus 1366x768 - does this not count at all?!
Backlit keyboard vs none
Glass trackpad vs plastic
Solid metal chassis vs plastic
Facetime HD webcam is better than a 1MP one
No DVD drive vs DVD RW
2 Thunderbolt ports vs 0
2 USB3 ports vs <unknown>
*9 HOURS battery life vs 5 HOURS*
There are no dimensions listed for the Lenovo, but both the 13 and 15 inch Macs are 1.8cm thick, and 1.57kg and 2.02kg respectively. That compares to 2.5cm and 2.6kg for the Lenovo.

Look, I like Lenovo, and that's a decent computer for the money, but I think you're stuck looking at some 'desktop' numbers - I mean processor, RAM stuff, and forgetting other important numbers like size, weight, battery life, never mind the things you can't put a number on like build quality and, in my opinion, the best trackpad. Please tell me you understand that these two machines are not in the same category. I'll not defend Apple's prices, but I think I've proven this is not an equivalent machine for half the price.

Moneymaker

On the subject of saving money, I have my cake and eat it. I've used Macs for 27 years and never bought a new one. I always buy second-hand. In my experience, the typical life of a Mac is 8 years (not counting Hard Drives that last about 3 - 5 years, regardless). So by buying a 3 year old mac I save a bundle and get a computer that will last me typically 5 years. In fact I just retired a 14 year old "QuickSilver" Mac - not because it was faulty but because it was using more power than a modern laptop.

I also have a PC "Hackintosh" that approaches the performance of a high end Mac but cost a lot less. The reliability remains to be seen. So far, it's needed only a new Hard Drive after 2 years.

criboo

There are always people who argue that the price reflects the build quality and while this is true to some degree, I've never felt it to be the whole story.

I spent about the same money on my laptop as a Macbook Pro (my laptop was £970), it's of a spec that would blow any mac of the day out of the water, and in the two-and-a-half years I've had it not a single thing has gone wrong with it, and it feels almost the same as it does the day I got it. It has never crashed, broken, or let me down, is extremely quick and overall, it just leads me to believe that you are paying a premium for the Apple logo on your laptop. It is the same with their phones, people buy them because they are stylish, Apple are aware of this, and the price is artificially inflated to reflect this.

Of course, if you buy a £300 laptop it'll fall apart and not last as long, but if you spend £700 on a laptop, it'll probably last you the same duration a macbook would.

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dr_adidas01 wrote: »

Lenovo aren't exactly known as the best laptop manufacturer are they, and even there website says its an entry level model!!!

Err, ever heard of the Thinkpad?

almillar

criboo, again, you've said that your PC laptop will blow a Mac out of the water, but haven't listed any specs. At that price you'd be comparing to the 13 inchers, which are easily beatable. But read my examples of hardware differences above, some of which don't appear on spec sheets. Does your laptop have a backlit keyboard for example? (whether you need one or not doesn't matter!). Mac laptops do, and there's a cost associated.
Moneymaker - me too, on the second hand, or nearly new Macs, and on the Hackintosh. I've got a PC, inside a G5 case, running OSX.9 and Windows 8, for much cheaper than a Mac Pro...

shortchanged_2

securityguy wrote: »

And edit to add: the Mac has an SSD. So not remotely comparable.

No it doesn't. The entry level has a HDD. An SSD would be an optional extra at additional cost.

almillar

shortchanged - use my specs in post #54 to compare. MOST Mac laptops now do come with SSD as standard. the 'old' (with a DVD drive) 13" MBP is a bad comparison, and, you'll like this, is WORSE value than the rest of the Apple laptops. I don't think they want anyone to buy it. So please compare to the Retina Macbooks.

harrys_dad

Apple products are well designed, innovative and usually function well. It is undeniable however that they are "overpriced" for what they are, and the profit margins for Apple are enormous. How many billions have they got in their cash pile?

There will always be people who want to pay more than a product is "worth" in order to have the cachet of "designer brand" ownership. Why otherwise would people pay £900 for a pair of Laboutin shoes that are really just a pair of shoes and do nothing extra? Oh of course, they have red soles so people who care know you are rich!

I paid £130 for a motorola moto g phone, that does virtually everything an iPhone 5 does for a quarter the price (or maybe that is another debate, roll up iPhone5 owners). Do those who buy Apple care? Of course they don't, because otherwise they are saying "I value brand over money"