Apple MacBook pro...

Deru

Could buy a used one to save a few bob.

People can buy an Apple if they have the money for it and want one. just need the right info to make a choice for themselves. If the more user friendly software / fewer viruses and software problems can justify the cost, then let them buy whatever they want.

kwmlondon

shortchanged wrote: »

That would be nice.

I'm just trying to do my bit for MSE to help prevent people from buying overpriced products just because of a name.

No, you're making the mistake of thinking your OPINION is more valid than someone elses and trying to impose your view of the world on other people.

I can recognise that there are different perspectives than mine and that I'm not automatically right and other people don't have to be wrong because they dare to disagree with me.

If someone weighs up the pros and cons of a car/computer/home/holiday on the basis of their own requirements and resources and makes an informed decision I'll respect that.

Why is that so hard to accept?

libra10

I saved £500 on my Macbook!

Very MSE!

Anne_Marie_2

libra10 wrote: »

I saved £500 on my Macbook!

Very MSE!

Well done you, thought I had done well in saving £150 on my Macbook Air. :beer:

shortchanged wrote: »

That would be nice.

I'm just trying to do my bit for MSE to help prevent people from buying overpriced products just because of a name.

You aren't doing your bit for MSE, you are trying to impose your opinion on others. You can say what your opinion is, but it doesn't necessarily make it the right one for someone else.
I bought a Mac Air as it was cheaper than Windows ultrabooks of the same calibre. It was the right decision for me, but not necessarily for someone else who could maybe do with a lower spec/processor etc.

shortchanged_2

libra10 wrote: »

I saved £500 on my Macbook!

Very MSE!

Or not. You could have used your £500 worth of vouchers for something else and pocketed a couple of hundred in cash and got something just as usable.

shortchanged_2

Anne_Marie wrote: »

I bought a Mac Air as it was cheaper than Windows ultrabooks of the same calibre. It was the right decision for me, but not necessarily for someone else who could maybe do with a lower spec/processor etc.

That is a different argument anyway as you are saying that the Mac Air was cheaper than their alternative for the spec you needed, so that's a fair enough reason.

I just don't get the price of these MacBooks which aren't particularly high spec in relation to their price.

dr_adidas01

So just because you don't get it, in your opinion no one else should buy them or have the choice to buy one?

Deffo sounds like you think your opinion is more important and if you don't like the reply or it doesn't agree with what you are saying then you ignore it.

As you said earlier in one of your posts, "I wasn't ever going to buy one anyway". Why does it matter why anyone buys a MacBook then, or have you got some sort of MacBook envy of those that have bought them?

securityguy

shortchanged wrote: »

That is a different argument anyway as you are saying that the Mac Air was cheaper than their alternative for the spec you needed, so that's a fair enough reason.

I just don't get the price of these MacBooks which aren't particularly high spec in relation to their price.

It's the old "I can see through the hype that everyone else is taken in by, so I am a better person for that" argument.

You don't want to buy one. Fine: no-one's forcing you to.

Other people do want to buy one. Fine: no-one's forcing them to.

I'm sure they're now desperately cut up about your disapproval, and if only they knew that you don't get it, they'd buy something else.

Personally, I've got Macs because I don't like Windows (from a position of ignorance: 30+ years a developer and I've never used Windows seriously). Having spent more than fifteen years messing around with Linux and Solaris laptops and always having bits of hardware that don't work and sketchy sleep/wake cycles that aren't reliable (oh, for the days of debugging -ac kernels in order to get IRDA working between my laptop and my mobile phone), I was happy to pay a few hundred quid over the odds in order to get a Unix machine that works. Unless I cost my time at close to zero, I made that money back in the first month. Talk about processor specs and RAM quantities is irrelevant: getting sleep/wake to work is non-negotiable; it's very hit and miss with Linux on commodity laptops, and from my experience with their kernel team Solaris developers mostly use Apple laptops with Solaris in a virtual machine anyway.

Unlike you, I don't then spend my time trying to save Windows users from themselves. I am, however, very sympathetic to people who want to use Unix-based operating systems. If you can point me to a way to buy a reliable Unix machine over the counter where sleep/wake functions, please do so.

almillar

shortchanged - you've been given lots of reasons, but you don't accept them. Many people aren't just buying a brand.
Summary of reasons given:
OSX (operating system, only available by buying Apple, the cost of the computer goes towards developing this)
iLife, iWork (that's an office suite (not as good as MS Office) and some decent 'lifestyle' software)
A solid metal body in some models (metal is more expensive than plastic!)
I would also point to the dimensions of the laptops in particular, compared to PC equivalents. Others have got smaller, but Apple have long led the way for making laptops smaller and lighter.
Also, the computers are quite often launched with the latest processors, often that aren't even available on PCs.
Please note I am (as I think are you) referring to computers, not iPhones or iPads.

Does this justify paying twice the price for a same spec computer?

That old chestnut. Why not give me an example? Same processor, same graphics, same screen resolution etc.

shortchanged_2

almillar wrote: »

That old chestnut. Why not give me an example? Same processor, same graphics, same screen resolution etc.

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Lenovo_IdeaPad_G500_Black_Core_i5-4200M_4GB_1TB_15.6_Win8_64-Bit_DVD_RW_UM_59400144/version.asp

Better processor, bigger hard drive, same RAM, better integrated graphics. Can't comment on the screen which will no doubt be inferior to the apple one.

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Lenovo_G510_4th_Gen_Core_i7_8GB_1TB_Windows_8.1_Laptop_in_Black__59406131/version.asp