Sucralose, Sacharrin, etc - the difference?

brook2jack

A link about the protective effect of cows milk http://www.dentalhealth.org/news/details/720

terra_ferma

brook2jack wrote: »

http://www.dentalhealth.org/news/details/321
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/which-foods-and-drinks-containing-sugar-cause-tooth-decay.aspx?CategoryID=74&SubCategoryID=741
http://www.livescience.com/36556-soy-milk-teeth-cavities.html
http://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Dental_Disease_e.htm

brook2jack wrote: »

http://www.dentalhealth.org/news/details/321
We are not talking about smoothies, but one piece of fruit with almond/soy milk.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/which-foods-and-drinks-containing-sugar-cause-tooth-decay.aspx?CategoryID=74&SubCategoryID=741
this link doesn't talk about fresh or blended fruit


http://www.livescience.com/36556-soy-milk-teeth-cavities.html
I thought we were talking about the sugar content. This study doesn't actually prove anything, 'may' is not the same as 'does'.

http://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Dental_Disease_e.htm
nice scary picture, but this link only talks about fruit juice

I hope this is not the sort of information health professionals use when they give advice to their patients

terra_ferma

brook2jack wrote: »

A link about the protective effect of cows milk http://www.dentalhealth.org/news/details/720

this is interesting, so drinking milk after eating sugar helps. Pity they don't say why, do you know if it's because of its PH? If that was the case there may be alternatives for people who can't drink milk, not sure about the PH for almond milk though, was looking into it in relations to acid reflux, some said acidic, some said alkaline.
They give a bit more info here, but not in detail http://news.uic.edu/milk-could-aid-oral-health-after-eating-sugary-cereals

Anyway I hope we all agree now that unsweetened almond milk has so little sugar in them that they can be consumed as an alternative to sugary drinks, even if you disagreed with having fruit in them people could still use natural flavorings, like vanilla or even orange peel and get a really yummy drink that won't harm their teeth.

TheSaint_2

The problem with sweeteners is your body gets confused. Your mouth tells your brain it is getting sugar, but you don't get the calories. This can do harm, it has been related to weight gain as your body goes into famine mode.


Personally, I just don't like the taste of them. I find they have a bitter aftertaste so go for real sugar when buying a flavoured drink.
I mostly drink iced water though.

brook2jack

Orange peel contains both sugar and acid most vanilla flavourings contain sugar http://t.answers.com/answers/#!/entry/what-are-the-ingredients-of-vanilla-extract,5004bb5e7af68a84dc118167/2. So flavouring milk with these is basically adding sugar again.

Cows milk contains the protein casein which is highly effective in inhibiting mouth bacteria and neutralising acid. Soya milk encourages decay causing bacteria and oat,rice,almond milk do not inhibit bacteria or neutralise in the same way because a) they do not contain casein and b) most people drink them with added sugar to make them palatable or they have natural sugars of their own.

brook2jack

terra_ferma wrote: »

I hope this is not the sort of information health professionals use when they give advice to their patients

No as I said most research articles are not available on the net for the general public . However reading any standard dental textbook on decay gives plenty of research showing the problems of processed fruit causing decay. It is research such as this which leads organisations such as the bdhf (British dental health foundation) to warn of the dangers of drinks containing fruit.

Ask your dentist for the best advice on oral health and diet .

terra_ferma

brook2jack wrote: »

Orange peel contains both sugar and acid most vanilla flavourings contain sugar http://t.answers.com/answers/#!/entry/what-are-the-ingredients-of-vanilla-extract,5004bb5e7af68a84dc118167/2. So flavouring milk with these is basically adding sugar again.

Cows milk contains the protein casein which is highly effective in inhibiting mouth bacteria and neutralising acid. Soya milk encourages decay causing bacteria and oat,rice,almond milk do not inhibit bacteria or neutralise in the same way because a) they do not contain casein and b) most people drink them with added sugar to make them palatable or they have natural sugars of their own.

I'm sure you know that a glass of almond milk would need a tiny amount of orange peel, and there are plenty of vanilla essence/extract/pods without sugar. Sounds like you are just running out of arguments, and just arguing for the sake of it, so I'm not going to engage any further.

brook2jack

I wish I was just arguing for the sake of it but in the uk dental decay is the third most common reason for a child's hospital stay and the reason for that is , as a nation , we are eating sugar too many times a day. The problem is also we do not realise how many "healthy" foods are full of sugar eg yogurts, raisins, fruit except when eaten whole, fruit and some herbal teas etc

Fruit once it has been processed eg blended or crushed or dried is basically sugar plus natural flavourings. It is not good advice to tell someone trying to stop tooth decay to add fruit to drinks to sweeten them because they are still adding sugar. Only whole fruit not eaten to excess is fine as the sugar is not free and accessible to the mouth bacteria.

Very few milk substitutes sold in this country do not contain sugar and will cause decay.


That's not to say you should not drink these things,just you should not drink them between meals. As op said water, tea,coffee and milk are safe between meals so long as you don't add sugar in any form to them.

Eat and drink what you like three times a day , sugar free the rest of the time is a good rule for oral health.

senileturtle

brook2jack wrote: »

A link about the protective effect of cows milk http://www.dentalhealth.org/news/details/720

I wouldn't trust any website or org advocating cow's milk when we are not meant to drink it at all. It is naturally made for a calf's needs, not ours and creates high risk of osteoporosis. Any mammal should not be consuming milk after weaning. Most of the world has some degree of lactose intolerance for a reason. Dairy lobby's are powerful and good at spreading milk myths also.

That soy study you linked to says it was only done in a petri dish and further study is needed - so it's hardly a entirely accurate study.

@Terra, I do like almond milk in cereal (it seems like a lighter but sweeter version of soy milk) and I like the hazelnut milk also. Not tried it as a drink though - although the hazelnut & almond rice milk by Rice Dream is lovely as a drink. I'll check them out next time I pop to H n B.

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I only have one meal a day usually. I've also heard sugar free drinks are a cop out as they just add sweeteners to them.

terra_ferma

senileturtle wrote: »

I have to try and avoid fizzy drinks and drink water with flavour added to it (don't like water on it's own) but I need to avoid the sweeteners and sugar they add to practically everything nowadays.

So anyone know what the difference is between all the sweeteners and are any of any safety for tooth health?

If not, where on earth do I get cordial without these added nasties or added sugar. I checked Holland and Barrett but found nothing.

OP I forgot to mention something, another option for you is tea, I'm not talking about a bag of pg tips, sugar and milk, but good quality chinese tea.
Some oolongs are very fruity, other are very floral, the flavour is very complex and satisfying, nothing like our tea. They are more expensive than ordinary tea, but much cheaper than smoothies and Coke.
I drink the oolong teas sold by Canton Tea Co. (ignore the prices, they supply Harrods, but I buy directly from one of their suppliers in China, a French men with an ugly website but fantastic tea). Let me know if you are interested and would like some pointers
The Mi Lan and Big Red Robe are my favourite. When I tasted Mi Lan the first time I thought it was fruit tea (Lichee), never tasted anything like that.
Lighter green or white tea is great in summer, warm or cold.
(all tea is rich in minerals).