Sucralose, Sacharrin, etc - the difference?

brook2jack

It works out at 3g a serving which is approx 3/4 of a teaspoon of sugar.

The important thing with tooth decay is not the amount of sugar but the frequency of consumption. So adding a splash of almond milk to drinks through the day is a great way of feeding bacteria that cause tooth decay, as each time sugar is consumed it takes an hour to for the bacteria to finish attacking the teeth.

Most of these drinks like the soy are sugar water where water and sugar are the greatest ingredients and soy or similar comes in third place. Any sugar from any source no matter what form it comes in (fizzy drink or soy milk) can cause tooth decay) no source is any better than any other.However acid erosion is a completely different problem and diet drinks with no sugar can cause problems with acid destroying enamel.

terra_ferma

brook2jack wrote: »

It works out at 3g a serving which is approx 3/4 of a teaspoon of sugar.

The important thing with tooth decay is not the amount of sugar but the frequency of consumption. So adding a splash of almond milk to drinks through the day is a great way of feeding bacteria that cause tooth decay, as each time sugar is consumed it takes an hour to for the bacteria to finish attacking the teeth.

Most of these drinks like the soy are sugar water where water and sugar are the greatest ingredients and soy or similar comes in third place. Any sugar from any source no matter what form it comes in (fizzy drink or soy milk) can cause tooth decay) no source is any better than any other.However acid erosion is a completely different problem and diet drinks with no sugar can cause problems with acid destroying enamel.

I'm not sure how you work out your percentages. 0.01g of sugar for 100ml, means that in order to consume 3gr you would have to drink 30 litres.
For example I've just had a big almond milk shake, I used approx. 500ml (just over a pint), and I consumed 0.05g of sugar. In order to consume 3 gr of sugar I would need to drink 60 glasses, that's a big portion, you must have a sweet tooth .
From other posts I remember it sounded like you are a dentist, if someone with a milk intolerance is given this kind of advice, it could make their life difficult.

I agree about acid, which is the reason why acid reflux can damage teeth, like it was in my case.

I think OP is being given pretty strict advice, which is more difficult to follow, while simple steps can greatly reduce the risk of causing damage to your teeth. Not all foods/sugars/drinks were created equal, some like fizzy drinks, sugary drinks etc will cause much more damage than just (unsweetened) almond milk with a bit of fruit in it, all we eat/do in our day to day life has some kind or risk in it. A bit like drinking alcohol, we all know it's harmful, some people don't drink any, a lot of people drink it in moderation and they are fine.

brook2jack

terra_ferma wrote: »

I'm not sure how you work out your percentages. 0.01g of sugar for 100ml, means that in order to consume 3gr you would have to drink 30 litres.
For example I've just had a big almond milk shake, I used approx. 500ml (just over a pint), and I consumed 0.05g of sugar. In order to consume 3 gr of sugar I would need to drink 60 glasses, that's a big portion, you must have a sweet tooth .
From other posts I remember it sounded like you are a dentist, if someone with a milk intolerance is given this kind of advice, it could make their life difficult.

I agree about acid, which is the reason why acid reflux can damage teeth, like it was in my case.

I think OP is being given pretty strict advice, which is more difficult to follow, while simple steps can greatly reduce the risk of causing damage to your teeth. Not all foods/sugars/drinks were created equal, some like fizzy drinks, sugary drinks etc will cause much more damage than just (unsweetened) almond milk with a bit of fruit in it, all we eat/do in our day to day life has some kind or risk in it. A bit like drinking alcohol, we all know it's harmful, some people don't drink any, a lot of people drink it in moderation and they are fine.

Actually you are wrong. No type of drink containing sugar or sugar is any less dangerous to teeth , all pose a risk.

The generally given advice is very easy no more than 3 sugar attacks a day, so drinks containing sugar are limited to meal times only when it doesn't matter how much sugar you consume. However in between meal times then all drinks, snacks etc should be sugar free. So people with dietary restrictions are fine to have their soya milk etc with a meal ,just not inbetween.

The nutritional information from the almond drink gives 3g sugar per serving ie around 3/4 spoon

• cal
  
  48 2%
• sugar
  
  6 7%
• fat
  
  2.2 3%
• saturated
  
  0.2 1%
• salt
  
  0.26 4%

Nutritional Information ()

Energy value 102 kJ/24 kcal Protein 0.5 g Carbohydrate
sugars 3.0 g lactose 0g fat
Saturates 0.1 g Mono-unsaturates 0.8 g polyunsaturates 0.2 g Cholesterol 0 mg Fibre 1.6g

not surprising when you read the ingredients where sugar is the second ingredient. It really is sugar water with almonds added
Water, Sugar, Almond (2%), Tri-calcium phosphate, Sea salt, Stabilisers (Locust Bean gum, Gellan gum), Emulsifier (Sunflower lecithin), Vitamins (Riboflavin (B2), B12, E, D2)

brook2jack

ps a bit of fruit is still sugar particularly when juiced and a glass of apple juice has more sugar in it than a glass of coke http://www.sugarstacks.com/fruits.htm

Childhood decay caused by soya milk and fruit juice is very common and is becoming a big problem with adults too.http://www.sugarstacks.com/beverages.htm

terra_ferma

brook2jack wrote: »

Actually you are wrong. No type of drink containing sugar or sugar is any less dangerous to teeth , all pose a risk.

The generally given advice is very easy no more than 3 sugar attacks a day, so drinks containing sugar are limited to meal times only when it doesn't matter how much sugar you consume. However in between meal times then all drinks, snacks etc should be sugar free. So people with dietary restrictions are fine to have their soya milk etc with a meal ,just not inbetween.

The nutritional information from the almond drink gives 3g sugar per serving ie around 3/4 spoon

• cal
  
  48 2%
• sugar
  
  6 7%
• fat
  
  2.2 3%
• saturated
  
  0.2 1%
• salt
  
  0.26 4%

Nutritional Information ()

Energy value 102 kJ/24 kcal Protein 0.5 g Carbohydrate
sugars 3.0 g lactose 0g fat
Saturates 0.1 g Mono-unsaturates 0.8 g polyunsaturates 0.2 g Cholesterol 0 mg Fibre 1.6g

not surprising when you read the ingredients where sugar is the second ingredient. It really is sugar water with almonds added
Water, Sugar, Almond (2%), Tri-calcium phosphate, Sea salt, Stabilisers (Locust Bean gum, Gellan gum), Emulsifier (Sunflower lecithin), Vitamins (Riboflavin (B2), B12, E, D2)

You are looking at the wrong item. There are two types of almond milk, one with added sugar and one without, the one I'm talking abut is the unsweetened almond milk. Almond milk as opposed to soya milk tastes nice without any sugar, so it's the perfect drink to have at any time of day. I think you are giving out the wrong advice to your patients.
While I agree about added sugar, I still think all considered almond milk with fruit is a good healthy option, or at least much less unhealthy than other drinks. I've not seen clear evidence that fresh fruit, whole or blended with almond milk (except acidic fruit) is bad for your teeth, not saying there isn't but it would be really useful if you could give links as I'd like to find out more.
Anyway the good thing about this thread, for me, it's that I'm going to be more mindful about what I eat during the day (I tend to eat little but frequently, for medical reasons, so more at risk as 'snacking' is what I do most of the time).

terra_ferma

brook2jack wrote: »

ps a bit of fruit is still sugar particularly when juiced and a glass of apple juice has more sugar in it than a glass of coke http://www.sugarstacks.com/fruits.htm

Childhood decay caused by soya milk and fruit juice is very common and is becoming a big problem with adults too.http://www.sugarstacks.com/beverages.htm

Just seen this post, I don't think anyone has been disputing that fruit contains sugar. It would be great if you could post reputable links specifically about the effect on teeth of fresh (non acidic) fruit eaten whole or blended into drinks. The fact that I've not seen them and therefore I'm not convinced doesn't mean that there aren't any, and I should think that a dentists has access to more accurate information than I have.
Again soya milk and almond milk are only as bad as the amount of sugar added to them.

EDIT this is NHS' advice for children:
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/are-squash-and-pure-fruit-juice-better-for-children-than-fizzy-drinks.aspx?CategoryID=51&SubCategoryID=163

Healthier drinks for children

If your children like drinking milk, this is a good choice, especially if they don’t like plain water. Milk isn't bad for teeth. It also contains calcium as well as other vitamins and minerals.
Try making your own milkshakes and smoothies by blending soft fruit, such as banana, strawberries or mango, with milk or yoghurt. This can also be a good way to encourage children to eat fruit.

This kind of answers my question, it's the only specific advice I found on this matter.

brook2jack

Unprocessed fruit is not , generally a problem, but as soon as something is done to it eg it's dried (raisins) or pulped or blended (juices and purees) the sugar is released. The research dates from the 60s onwards and much is not available on the net to the general public but this may help http://www.mims.co.uk/news/882328/Dental-Health/

Here is a picture of what fruit juice can do http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=Az_6xdh7.PRSgxcAcnZNBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTIzNXV1dWYzBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANiYTEyOWVlNzI4M2NiN2Q3YTBhYTJjMGQwODU1ZTc3ZgRncG9zAzExBGl0A2Jpbmc-?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dcaries%2Bapple%2Bjuice%26fr%3Dmcafee%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D11&w=268&h=178&imgurl=www.intelligentdental.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2Fbaby-bottle-caries.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fca.answers.yahoo.com%2Fquestion%2Findex%3Fqid%3D20120112164010AAJfq34&size=+9.1KB&name=%3Cb%3EApple+Juice+%3C%2Fb%3Evs.+****+Milk%3F&p=caries+apple+juice&oid=ba129ee7283cb7d7a0aa2c0d0855e77f&fr2=piv-web&fr=mcafee&tt=%3Cb%3EApple+Juice+%3C%2Fb%3Evs.+****+Milk%3F&b=0&ni=21&no=11&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=1244q40tl&sigb=13c326o95&sigi=12bckk3u3&.crumb=6rze2shWxan&fr=mcafee

This is childhood decay from apple juice.

brook2jack

http://www.dentalhealth.org/news/details/321
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/which-foods-and-drinks-containing-sugar-cause-tooth-decay.aspx?CategoryID=74&SubCategoryID=741
http://www.livescience.com/36556-soy-milk-teeth-cavities.html
http://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Dental_Disease_e.htm

MrsBartolozzi

I'm not sure getting all hung up on the added sugars in soya or nut milks is helpful.
Semi skimmed cow's milk has 4.8g sugars in 100ml.
Rice milk, which is what I use, has 4g per 100ml
vanilla flavoured rice milk (which might be of interest to you?) has 4.6g per 100ml.
Slightly sweetened soya milk has 2.7g per 100ml


All of these contain less sugar than skimmed cow's milk, which no one would be worried about being sugary, surely?
Granted, it's not plain ole sucrose in cow's milk, like it is in the soya etc, but as far as tooth decay is concerned sugar is sugar.
I think your milk contains much more sugar because it's flavoured. It's basically a milkshake, a treat drink rather than a food drink like plain milks.
Have you had a look at the range of non dairy milks around today? There are many nut milks to choose from, you might find a new favourite.

brook2jack

Actually lactose the sugar in cows milk cannot easily be used by mouth bacteria so does not cause decay. Indeed cows milk and cheese have a protective effect against decay.

Sucrose, fructose,glucose the sugars in oat,rice milks, nut milks and fruits are easily used by mouth bacteria and easily produce decay.

All of the milks you quote have between half and one spoon of sugar per serving. We all know adding sugar to tea and coffee is a bad idea but these milk replacements already have sugar added to them. Drunk as part of a meal they are no problem but it's drinking them in between meals that's dental disaster.