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moneyistooshorttomention

JKS - indeed there should be a record book (or possibly computer equivalent) in which accidents got noted.

I keep thinking "Is there a union in that place?". Surely there are union reps who should be onto this like a terrier onto a rat? Or did a union never really set up in the place?

BTW Horace = fingers crossed on the job front for you.

and re "garden thief" I've been shocked by the barefaced lies she has been telling recently too...but it makes me feel rather better because the fact she tells such whoppers must, hopefully, be something that will react back against her. It's been a source of complete astonishment and shock to know that there are people who can stand there telling such utter whoppers and look you straight in the eye and not look the slightest bit guilty or nervous whilst doing so. She's got it down to a fine art obviously over the years to tell people "This is like SO" and your head gets turned for a while by believing her, until you think "Hang on a minute, it isn't at all, its actually like SUCH" and you mentally pick your head back up off your shoulders and spin it around to face the front again in order to see clearly how things really are (as opposed to how she wants them to be and is trying for). I think what it feels like is she's trying to sort of hypnotise people at some level into thinking black is white. It's not the standard sort of lying that many people go in for, where you can see they look guilty/nervous/won't look you in the eye and its obvious they are lying iyswim. But then, I suppose I see her more clearly than some because I've realised over the years that I seem to be impervious to any attempts to hypnotise me, as when I've knowingly had people trying to do so it hasn't worked.

EDIT: Out of idle curiosity, I just googled "Is it possible to be hypnotized without knowing it" and ...whew...paydirt...loads of entries. I think I shall be spending a lot of this weekend reading somehow....now that that particular penny has dropped. That's why I caught her giving me such assessing looks to start with and why she hates me so much...ie because she'd realised I'm impervious to that. Slow on uptake or what...

Horace

Hello Peeps

Hope you have had an awesome day today.

Money, I am not very good at being hypnotized either and probably this woman has taken against you because you are not a gullible sop (also she sounds like a nasty piece of work).

Got up late today - nearly lunchtime by the time I dragged myself out of bed:eek: Didn't do much - washed up and put away the washing up that had dried, sorted the bins out and think that the next time the bag needs to go out I will take it through the house because the door has swollen again:mad: The last time I pulled it I managed to break the handle (I haven't managed to stain or varnish the bit that was shaved off). I thought that when I had a new oak door fitted that it wouldn't swell and jam in the hole like the tatty old one did:mad:

Cooked some dinner - bangers & mash with sprouts and gravy. I have bangers left which I will turn into a toad tomorrow. Large apple for pud.

Mum rang me - I apologised for not going round today, partly due to the weather and my eyes seem to be tired. She told me not to worry when I sign off the dole as dad has promised to cover my bills for a month until I get paid. I worry all the time about money and surviving. We had a chat about the new local Mr S store that is down the road and how they had a roof fire yesterday, apparently mum saw it on the news and 4 fire engines were in attendance. I told that was a load of codswallop because there was only one fire engine in attendance, it was there when I went to the hairdressers and was still there when I came out and went into Mr S's for a bit of shopping and was there when I came out and walked home.

Mr S is a bit pricey for me but I managed to get a bag of sprouts for a quid and a bag of kale also for a quid, some sausages, some yoghurts, apples (large Spartans described as value red dessert apples) and a ready meal that had been reduced. Didn't get a bottle of green coke which I have been hankering after (I don't particularly like coke either).

JustKeepSwimming_2

Thanks to all for the words of support about work - I have to admit to having the worst case of Sunday Evening Blues ever tonight & I'm dreading going back tomorrow

Partly because I know exactly how far behind we are with work & how much additional work we have to do with less staff (sure that's a common theme these days) but mostly because we need to speak to management.

We were under the impression that accidents were being reported - but for years they weren't. Our (overall but at the time indirect) boss didn't even know where the accident book was kept. We thought procedures were in place, since that was what is standard practice for a lab & were told not to worry about such things - but they weren't.

We have been in touch with out union but are still waiting to hear back from them.

We were probably very naive but we trusted our then direct boss & thought the way we'd been shown how to do things was correct, when it often hasn't been. Without wanting to waffle on I'm hoping our team will stick together & stand our ground, but we have a long way to go in a job that has a lot of responsibility but absolutely no authority. Happy days :rotfl:

mum2one wrote: »

...Bit of a worry here...

More than a bit of a worry Mum2one - really hope the injections have worked out alright & hes better now. Hugs.

MSTM - sorry to hear about the homesickness. No words of advice other than it does pass, but that doesn't sound at all helpful.

Horace - another one here with fingers crossed, hoping you get a permanent job in the new store. When do you start the temporary one?

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

....It's been a source of complete astonishment and shock to know that there are people who can stand there telling such utter whoppers and look you straight in the eye and not look the slightest bit guilty or nervous whilst doing so. She's got it down to a fine art obviously over the years to tell people "This is like SO" and your head gets turned for a while by believing her, until you think "Hang on a minute, it isn't at all, its actually like SUCH" and you mentally pick your head back up off your shoulders and spin it around to face the front again in order to see clearly how things really are (as opposed to how she wants them to be and is trying for). ...

Think I was married to someone like that once :rotfl:

At least my loo is behaving itself this week. I'll go back to work & hear about everyone's fab weekends again & my highlight has been a fully functioning toilet I sure know how to have fun.

Hope all are hanging in there :wave:

mum2one

jks - that sounds good news about the working loo....

its been a very quiet wend, I manged to come down with flu bug, all I did mot of yeseterday was drink, sleep, watch a bit of tv, doze back off and sweat for england thou I was cold.
Bless her heart DD was so worried about I never stay in bed all day, so she decided to sleep in with me last ngt.... fidget wasn't the word. Feel better today.

Had to help with her homework, my french is very rusty, thank you to sirli, and google, got that sorted, then she found another piece of homework, do a new leaflet on the local area,
Was so funny as we have some funny names - grope lane,which tickled DD to a t.

back to the hosp tomorrow for a review for dad, he's going to be taking part in a medical trial, I did ask what was the just and end result, very positive, at the mo he has to have daily jabs for 6 months but the trial it will either be jabs as we are or tablets. Need you guess were hoping tablets....

Some good news, I've been reviewing my vouchers etc and i have £90 in amazon which pay for DDs tablet, case and screen thingies etc, then have £70 LTS voucher so there go to Argos, - £50 for wireless headphones, and £20 for 2 quilt covers, she loves New York, so that be 1, and a winter reindeer one.

Off mum and dad - nearly money neutral as mum had £100 for changing banks, - thats got invested in pair of babyliss curling thingies £120... very pleased xx

moneyistooshorttomention

JustKeepSwimming wrote: »

Thanks to all for the words of support about work - I have to admit to having the worst case of Sunday Evening Blues ever tonight & I'm dreading going back tomorrow

Partly because I know exactly how far behind we are with work & how much additional work we have to do with less staff (sure that's a common theme these days) but mostly because we need to speak to management.

We were under the impression that accidents were being reported - but for years they weren't. Our (overall but at the time indirect) boss didn't even know where the accident book was kept. We thought procedures were in place, since that was what is standard practice for a lab & were told not to worry about such things - but they weren't.

We have been in touch with out union but are still waiting to hear back from them.

We were probably very naive but we trusted our then direct boss & thought the way we'd been shown how to do things was correct, when it often hasn't been. Without wanting to waffle on I'm hoping our team will stick together & stand our ground, but we have a long way to go in a job that has a lot of responsibility but absolutely no authority. Happy days :rotfl:

Hope the Union gets its act together quickly then for you. Do you have a shop steward in the place? (mind you I do know there are shop stewards and shop stewards and have certainly come across one before now who was so "weak"/useless that they didn't even bother to distribute information from HQ). Couldn't somehow see that particular person developing any "fight" in them if need be knowing that...

Goodgawd as to "not knowing where the Accident Book" was kept. Does wonder if they did really know, but weren't letting on. I have certainly found in my own experience that management are very good at strategically "losing" things if it suits them. Management and local Councils both use "losing" things as a tactic regularly (I only had a friend complaining to me the other day how one time she and her husband had gone to a lot of time and trouble to collect signatures on a petition for the Council against development, only to find that the Council said they lost it). Boy was she kicking herself that they hadn't anticipated the Council playing that tactic against them and she wished she had photocopied the petition before handing it over to the Council and made sure the photographer from the local newspaper was there taking a photo of them doing so, as a witness that they had. They had to go round and collect all those signatures all over again:eek::mad: because the Council lied and said they had lost it.

Don't forget that "some people can lie with a totally straight face" scenario.

The other possibility with organisations of any description is that they know very well they have it, but don't wish to devote any staff time to finding it where Mr/Ms Inefficient stashed it. I had that one the other day...gone to collect information a Council office had for me to look at and found T'Other Member of Staff saying they couldn't find it. I just made it plain I would stay there until they found it and it got unearthed.

"More work with less staff" is a common theme these days but, with that, all the more need to make sure of safety precautions/Accident Book recording. When people are distracted and/or rushing to do jobs in less time than it really takes then the chances of an accident are all the greater.

Horace

JKS - not surprised at your workplace but they should be a lot more careful and take responsibility because ignorance is no excuse in law. Here's hoping that the union step up to the mark and act. I do know that there are some shop stewards out there who are as weak as a kitten and just like their job title. I used to be a branch manager of a union and even now I occasionally bump into old colleagues who whine at me about how they are always being pulled out on strike (even to support lecturers who didn't give a stuff about their secretaries) and they don't get paid. My answer was to stand for election and that way they can have the branch secretary of their choosing because if no-one stands against the present incumbent things won't change.

Alas I have no idea when I am due to start work. I am quite angry to be truthful, I received a call from the work programme last week telling me that I will be hearing this week but on speaking to one of my friends who was interviewed after me - she told me that the induction was taking place on 24/25 November. I rang M&S myself on Saturday and was told about the induction and that I should speak to the work programme people (woman not answering her phone:mad:)

moneyistooshorttomention

Horace wrote: »

JKS - not surprised at your workplace but they should be a lot more careful and take responsibility because ignorance is no excuse in law. Here's hoping that the union step up to the mark and act. I do know that there are some shop stewards out there who are as weak as a kitten and just like their job title. I used to be a branch manager of a union and even now I occasionally bump into old colleagues who whine at me about how they are always being pulled out on strike (even to support lecturers who didn't give a stuff about their secretaries) and they don't get paid. My answer was to stand for election and that way they can have the branch secretary of their choosing because if no-one stands against the present incumbent things won't change.

Alas I have no idea when I am due to start work. I am quite angry to be truthful, I received a call from the work programme last week telling me that I will be hearing this week but on speaking to one of my friends who was interviewed after me - she told me that the induction was taking place on 24/25 November. I rang M&S myself on Saturday and was told about the induction and that I should speak to the work programme people (woman not answering her phone:mad:)

Ignorance is indeed deemed to be "no excuse" in the law from what I have read over time. That is a mixed blessing...but its my understanding, from what I've read, that that is the case basically. So we are all expected to be amateur lawyers are we then?:eek: but that does seem to be the basic viewpoint from what I can see in a variety of respects - be it for good or bad.

There are a lot of even people like shop stewards that are "weak as kittens" as Horace puts it. But then....that's a motto for life in a lot of respects. I do understand personally just why there are a lot of "weak" people out there, but there are and sometimes they get into positions like shop stewards in Unions for whatever reason. Symptomatic of life as a whole then....:(

One of my current theories of life I am working on is that there are weak people/there are very "strong" people. With very strong people then the question arises as to whether they are strong on their own behalf only (ie selfish), strong in a very "balanced" sort of way (ie bearing in mind everyone's way and maybe having difficulty in deciding exactly which way to proceed sometimes) or strong in a way that comes out as being on everyone else's behalf (ie the saints of this world).

I fully understand (and sympathise - to some extent) as to why some people are indeed weak....lots of other stuff on their plate/personal health problems of some description on their plate etc/who knows?

It aint a clearcut decision sometimes whether to be weak as heck/strong in a fair-minded sorta way/strong on behalf of other people (ie the saints of this world)/strong on behalf of yourself only (ie a selfish little g*t).

My own personal little take is that its good to be strong and then temper that to taking due and fair account of everyone's interests - but I am guessing that that is very much a minority attitude??? I am guessing that a huge proportion of people will be either "strong" (but its only on their own behalf) or weak as kittens (though I do understand why they have made that choice)?

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In that context...more or less...I have now been told that Little Sod Neighbour has lost her claim to my land:D:T - as I anticipated. However...its all a LOT more complicated than that and my head hurts right now as to the best way to proceed:(. Honestly don't know just which way to proceed for the best right now...and am contemplating as to whether the other parties would or wouldn't be prepared to contemplate the set-up I thought/assumed it would be in the first place, ie of everyone sitting down together and trying to work it out amicably as to exactly how things will be. Am more than a little p*ssed off about current attitudes to date in this particular little set-up of "We TELL you how things are and you go along with", whereas my attitude is "Lets work out exactly how things are and then make a joint decision about whats what". I've bitten my tongue VERY hard indeed sometimes to date and am not quite sure of the best way to proceed from here on in.

Will have a night's sleep on it and assess my chances of being treated as "one human being amongst equals and everyone is out to make sure things get worked out fairly" on the one hand or whether "they are going for what suits them personally, so s8d it and I will have to do the same then....damn...." on the other hand. There has been much "telling me" how things are on the one hand (rather than fair consultation/discussion) and I would be entitled to think "Blow you" I do know...but am wondering whether I am being naïve/idealistic to think "Right...we can now start from Square 1 and work out exactly how things are and how they will be from here on in". Has nasty suspicion that combination of my own home area outlook (ie questioning/academic/etc and I took it very much for granted - more fool me - and thought that was how everyone thought - whoops!) and one or two other factors mean that I'm on a hiding to nothing hoping things might now go along a consultative/fair way of thinking....but am seriously hoping they will...

I am just so aware of the barefaced lies I have been told from more than one direction and that will take a lot of forgiving on my part I do know...but, more to the point, am wondering whether other parties involved intend to carry right on telling a pack of lies to me or no. Is it possible for people who have been so heavily invested in telling a pack of lies to backtrack or no and then try and work things out amicably? Can I forgive them for lies told to me to date?

The jury is out and I will sleep on it...

Horace

Money, I think you should just take back your garden as for those that have told lies - they will continue to tell lies because it will be hard for them to back track as that would make them look silly and lose face. Glad I don't have that problem.

Somehow managed to miss my appointment with my new advisor today - got embroiled with phone calls. Still no sorted out the induction day although one advisor seems to think that I am booked in for 23 November yet no-one has had the courtesy to let me know or even let me know the timings and where I have to go for the induction. Must ring my advisor tomorrow to apologise - it is most unlike me to miss appointments.

moneyistooshorttomention

I see your point Horace totally.

Difficult situation indeed. I remember circumstances in my life before now where I was sitting there thinking "My mother told me that those particular two people would NOT lose face and why she thought that would be their way of thinking...and that seems to be what is happening here". She had told me why she thought so and I wont go into the reasoning here...just suffice it to say that she told me she thought that would be part of their basic way of thinking and it did seem to be the case in the end.

I don't honestly know what the ratio is in this country (ie Britain) of people being prepared to sit down/be reasonable/discuss on the one hand or "Vill not lose face" on the other hand.

As I said, I will sleep on it and hope a way forward will emerge.

I honestly don't know, in the cirumstances, whether the best way forward is to just "take back my garden" or what in the circumstances. I have worked out ways to do the "revenge is a dish best served cold" and serve them up some very ice-cold revenge if I just leave it be on the one hand. On the other hand...I'd rather just get back my bit of garden and move swiftly on.

Decisions...decisions...

mum2one

I wanted to share some good news, saw the nice doctor at the hospital, he's looked again at the scan..... bar a concern of an enlarged prostrate, (we knew that from when he was operated on), and he has

NO SECONDARY CANCER

A big thank you for all the support, I know were not out of the woods but this is a massive plus xx