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gadgetmind wrote: »but to someone who's worked continuously since the age of 13 (yes, really) people bleating about work being hard to find, or too much effort, is something that I find deeply annoying.
I was working weekends in a Garage/Filling station at the age of 13 (and loved it) and worked full time since the age of 21. But jobs were easier to find then.“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »But jobs were easier to find then.
Yes, and summers were longer, beer stronger, men more manly and women far far more comely.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, some workers can't find jobs yet huge numbers of employers can't find staff.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »'minimum wages' is usually irrelevant as it obviously isn't being enforced. The Romanian immigrants said they got £10 for a 12 hour day. The job of enforcement was foisted on to HMRC. I understand there have only ever been 2 prosecutions, and none in the last 4 years?
It is very occasionally flaunted and only in circumstances above, where people who dont know their rights are taken advantage of.
The only reason they have no prosecutions is that penalties are imposed, low pay commission:
"Prosecuting any employer is resource intensive. It involves gathering evidence, preparing a case, and seeing it through to final prosecution. It is right that prosecutions will not be appropriate in the majority of cases of non-compliance."
There was about a thousand penalties imposed in 2010/11. There has only ever being nine prosecutions.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Meanwhile, back in the real world, some workers can't find jobs yet huge numbers of employers can't find staff.
Probably because the staff are not qualified, or because the wage they are offering does not cover the cost of housing in that area.
I don't expect to win a popularity contest on this BTL forum for complaining about the high cost of housing. But its crippling the economy nevertheless.“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »Probably because the staff are not qualified, or because the wage they are offering does not cover the cost of housing in that area. .
People move around the globe, looking for jobs.
Jobs won't come to you, you need to go looking for jobs. Cost of housing applies to everyone, not just the ones on benefit.0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »Probably because the staff are not qualified
Free education at primary and secondary levels, good universities, and still they aren't qualified.or because the wage they are offering does not cover the cost of housing in that area.
Maybe but most of my graduate engineers tend to buy houses within a few years of starting work for us.I don't expect to win a popularity contest on this BTL forum for complaining about the high cost of housing. But its crippling the economy nevertheless.
You won't get anything other than agreement from me.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
It is very occasionally flaunted and only in circumstances above, where people who dont know their rights are taken advantage of.
I'd say its a damn sight more than 'very occasionally' happening, especially in London & the south east. Mainly companies who get cleaning & other menial work contracts who then pass the work to 'self employed' foreigners for lower than the legal minimum wage......zero hours contracts anyone?0 -
It is very occasionally flaunted and only in circumstances above, where people who dont know their rights are taken advantage of.
The only reason they have no prosecutions is that penalties are imposed, low pay commission:
"Prosecuting any employer is resource intensive. It involves gathering evidence, preparing a case, and seeing it through to final prosecution. It is right that prosecutions will not be appropriate in the majority of cases of non-compliance."
There was about a thousand penalties imposed in 2010/11. There has only ever being nine prosecutions.
Fair point. But it still shows they are not taking minimum wage enforcement as seriously as nearly all other crimes where they prosecute whether its economic or not. So there isn't the same deterrent.“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
So you would rather try and force contraception than just stop pumping up house prices with scams like Help to Bubble.:(johnny_storm wrote: »Personally I would make implantable contraception a condition of any benefit claim. .
I guess you will get a few votes on this BTL forum but fortunately you have no chance of getting elected to run the country.“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Free education at primary and secondary levels, good universities, and still they aren't qualified.
It would seem so yes. Not everyone has the aptitude to become a Graduate Engineer. And many of those who do have the aptitude have been educated in non productive subjects instead ...“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0
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