is my employer being unreasonable?

Bantex_2

Southend1 wrote: »

Yes and no. The proportion of their income distributed as wages is a choice and can be increased or decreased, as can other variables like capital investment, advertising spend, executive remuneration, dividend payouts etc. so in many cases companies can keep wages at the same real level without passing on the full nominal cost to customers.

Without knowing the details of OPs employer it is impossible to say. A pay rise for all employees could send the company to the wall, which would be even worse.
I am old enough to remember when the miners and other forced up inflation in the UK. Most ended up with no jobs at all.

tir21

Southend1 wrote: »

Exactly. So why should your pay shrink?

Is there a union already active in your workplace?

If so, join tomorrow and get involved.

If not, why not put yourself forward as shop steward and start organising your colleagues so that you have more bargaining power?

That sounds dangerous

Southend1

Bantex wrote: »

Without knowing the details of OPs employer it is impossible to say. A pay rise for all employees could send the company to the wall, which would be even worse.
I am old enough to remember when the miners and other forced up inflation in the UK. Most ended up with no jobs at all.

OP should be in a position to make a judgement on that for himself. One easy way to make a rough stab at it is to look out the window at the executive car park. How old are the motors? How many of the directors have chauffeurs? etc.

Re the miners.... Don't start that old argument, or this thread will run and run!

Southend1

tir21 wrote: »

That sounds dangerous

Well I've been a union member for a number of years and a steward for about a year. I haven't received any death threats to date.

If you're not willing to stand up for yourself this thread is pointless. You'll only get a rise if you negotiate one. They don't grow on trees and it's in the employers interests for the price of your labour to decrease year on year so you do need to ask!

You can either negotiate individually or together with your colleagues, as a previous poster pointed out.

mountainofdebt

The solution is simply.

Get a job offer for a better paid job.

Tell your boss.

They will either wish you well in your new role or increase your package to keep you

tir21

mountainofdebt wrote: »

The solution is simply.

Get a job offer for a better paid job.

Tell your boss.

They will either wish you well in your new role or increase your package to keep you

simples

but then if it were that simple - no one would be in a low paid job and no one would ever go without an inflationary pay rise

tir21

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

You need to be realistic though and looking at the bosses cars isn't the way, that just smacks of the green eye monster.

If you think you can do a better job as an employer...why not create your own business, risk your own house etc?

But can the system support everyone successfully creating their own business?

Isn't that the lie of capitalism - ie that everyone can suceed - when in reality only a small amount can

And are all of those that succeed in business really the best - or just the luckiest?

Isn't encouraging people to start their own business just encouraging them to take a gamble

obviously when people gamble - some will be very successful - but wont most fail through no real fault of their own?

mountainofdebt

tir21 wrote: »

simples

but then if it were that simple - no one would be in a low paid job and no one would ever go without an inflationary pay rise

So your solution is????

Posting on an internet forum !!!!!ing about how unfair life is?

At least my method is being proactive

tir21

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Such a poor arguement, they owe to pay above NMW as a minimum, if employees want more then they should move.

A contract is for a certain wage, not a certain wage +inflation (generally)

but if someone does a job in 2010 and they can pay their mortgage and they do the same job in 2014 and cant pay their mortgage - arent they in effect being paid less?

what is the difference between a pay freeze and rising costs - and prices remaining fixed and a wage cut?

tir21

mountainofdebt wrote: »

So your solution is????

a cyanide capsule but i cant afford one