is my employer being unreasonable?

tir21

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Rising costs aren't the employers issue. The contract is for £X for XX hours.

maybe that is why the whole system is doomed to failure. Maybe marx was right when he said capitalism would fail because eventually the workers would be priced out of buying the things that are produced.

the majority cant continue buying things with borrowed money indefinately

Should people in 2010 been paid less than in 2004 as cost of living were less than then?

are you saying the cost of living was less in 2010 than 2004?

tir21

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

It is a mixture of luck, hard work and having the guts to go for it.

what about the majority who go for it and fail. Would you praise their guts when they are sleeping in the back of a car? It would be just as easy to criticise their recklessness

i look at it like a football league with 20 teams where the botton 16 get relegated

at the start of the season - no matter how each manager prepares or how skillful or hardworking they are - 16 are going to lose their jobs

tir21

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Alot of companies start with very little start up costs so actually very little risk, some people will work a main job whilst starting their own business.

And its the quoted mentality which means you wouldn't be successful, those that start a business do so believe it will work.

then they are as gullible as the 80% of drivers who think they are better than average

the whole system relies on most failing

And yes, I have more admiration for those that gave it a go and failed than those that didn't and moan.

i know someone who started his own sports shop lost his lifes savings, is now on tablets and seems close to suicide

i doubt your admiration would cheer him up much

getmore4less

its not just the person that owns the business that is taking a risk but all the employees as well.

The way to improve your lot is to get smarter, learn better paid skills.

mustang121

Quick question. If people don't get a pay rise to at least match inflation is that effectively a pay cut?

19lottie82

Jesus........ I'm sorry OP but I'm just going to be blunt here and say what I'm thinking. If you're not happy, stop b!tching and do something about it! Instead of spending hours whining to strangers online, use that time to do look for a new job.

Bantex_2

tir21 wrote: »

simples

but then if it were that simple - no one would be in a low paid job and no one would ever go without an inflationary pay rise

Many are in low paid jobs because that is what they are worth. Labour is no different to any other commodity.

Prothet_of_Doom

sniggings wrote: »

:rotfl: I think you may be right, I understand how you feel but employers have all the cards these days.

Unless you have skills that are in short supply and someone else wants.

BobQ

tir21 wrote: »

That sounds dangerous

Well in that case keep your head down and take what you are given. If they can afford to pay you more (only they know that), they obviously think you deserve no more.

tir21 wrote: »

what about the majority who go for it and fail. Would you praise their guts when they are sleeping in the back of a car? It would be just as easy to criticise their recklessness

i look at it like a football league with 20 teams where the botton 16 get relegated

at the start of the season - no matter how each manager prepares or how skillful or hardworking they are - 16 are going to lose their jobs

As someone once said "Nothing in life would ever be achieved if it were first necessary to overcome all possible objections.

I am beginning to think that this is a big wind up. I still cannot understand what you want from this thread.

I'm out!

sniggings

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Unless you have skills that are in short supply and someone else wants.

they still hold all the cards, if they choose not to play those cards because they want to keep you, that's a different matter, But the power still lays with them, which was the point I was making.