is my employer being unreasonable?

Southend1

BobQ wrote: »

Your post is bizarre. You are not entitled to know what others are paid unless they are willing to tell you.

There are basically two relationships an employee can have with an employee. The first involves staff collectively organising themselves through a trade union to negotiate pay. The other is that you as an individual negotiate your terms and conditions as an individual. You appear to have the latter arrangement.

So forget what others are paid, try and negotiate your own pay. If you do not like what is on offer leave - they will soon give you a pay rise if they want to keep you.

Or get organising and work towards union recognition and ultimately a collective bargaining agreement.

19lottie82

tir21 wrote: »

That sounds like an argument for only the rich to ever get pay rises

No. Unless it's related to a promotion then the point of a pay raise is usually to keep your salary in line with inflation.
The economy is down the swanny at the moment, so inflation is minute, thus any potential pay rise is likely to be also.

tir21

tir21 wrote: »

That sounds like an argument for only the rich to ever get pay rises

Lots of tupes and different people on different rates for different shifts

Think im on more than some for some shifts and on less than the same people for other shifts

So its hard to work out whether im on more or less than them

tir21

sniggings wrote: »

true but it's still the case that, even if you get one, and manage to not !!!! off your employer in the process, are you really going to see much of a benefit? now if we were talking the 11% for MPs which is about another £11,000 then that would be worth stressing about.

Why is everyone stressing so much about a hundred quid on the cost of power and gas then, if a hundred quid is such an insignificant amount

tir21

Bantex wrote: »

Any reason why they should give you a pay rise?

Ive learnt new skills and perform more functions since I last had a pay rise

Southend1

19lottie82 wrote: »

No. Unless it's related to a promotion then the point of a pay raise is usually to keep your salary in line with inflation.
The economy is down the swanny at the moment, so inflation is minute, thus any potential pay rise is likely to be also.

Inflation may not be in double figures as it has been at some points in the past but any salary that increases at less than the rate of inflation is still shrinking in real terms. Employers owe it to their employees to make annual increases at least the rate of RPI inflation. After all nobody works 5% less year on year do they?

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Hi,

tir21 wrote: »

How many people do you know that are irreplacible though?

are you?

If so, just go for it, if you don't get a pay rise, tell them you're off. :cool:

sniggings

tir21 wrote: »

Why is everyone stressing so much about a hundred quid on the cost of power and gas then, if a hundred quid is such an insignificant amount

I agree, I'm amazed the Tories think that £50 off an average bill is something to shout about, I don't understand that either.

All I'm trying to do is help you come to terms with your situation, your employer has told you all they are going to, what more can you do, as I sais eariler, find out what rate you are on, if it's the lowest, then you can expect a pay raise sometime, that is as much as you can do.

It is unlikey you employer even knows if they will be upping anyone's wage anytime soon, all they have siad is IF they do it will be for the lowest paid, that really means they have no plans to any time soon.

tir21

19lottie82 wrote: »

Ok, sorry, you're right, I got the wrong end of the stick BUT I maintain my theory that you are over thinking this and agree entirely with BobQ - don't base what you think you are worth on what other people get paid.
If you're not happy and think you can do better, go and find a job that pays more, instead of working yourself into a tizzy about might or might not happen.

Also, how much are you expecting this potential payrise to be? As I have said, the economy is in a poor state at the moment, 2% might not be an unreasonable figure.

on a £16k wage that works out an extra £4 a week in your hand,

and on £20k, an extra £5 a week

and on £26k an extra £7 a week......... it's hardly a huge amount. Even if it was 3%, would it be worth getting so worked up about?

EDIT cross post with sniggings!

Its the cumulative effect though isnt it?

2% isnt much. But 2% in 2008 plus 2% in 2009 plus 2% in 2010 plus 2% in 2011 plus 2% in 2012 plus 2% in 2013 might have been worthwhile

tir21

Southend1 wrote: »

Inflation may not be in double figures as it has been at some points in the past but any salary that increases at less than the rate of inflation is still shrinking in real terms. Employers owe it to their employees to make annual increases at least the rate of RPI inflation. After all nobody works 5% less year on year do they?

No my workload has not decreased in the last year. If anything it has slightly increased