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Landlord might have provided a fake signature on tenancy agreement

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  • sandsni
    sandsni Posts: 683 Forumite
    Your LL's BTL mortgage or insurance my prohibit letting to people on benefits. Not necessarily fair, but that's the reality. So he may have little choice about not renewing now that you're going on to benefits.


    But you have the option to stay put (as long as you keep paying rent) until he goes through the whole legal eviction process, which may take months.


    Not sure whether the difference in signatures would make any difference to your situation.
  • Sabrinah_2
    Sabrinah_2 Posts: 24 Forumite
    edited 24 December 2013 at 12:07AM
    sandsni wrote: »
    Your LL's BTL mortgage or insurance my prohibit letting to people on benefits. Not necessarily fair, but that's the reality. So he may have little choice about not renewing now that you're going on to benefits.


    But you have the option to stay put (as long as you keep paying rent) until he goes through the whole legal eviction process, which may take months.


    Not sure whether the difference in signatures would make any difference to your situation.
    The rent is expensive and I would like to move before the two months notice since theoretically the tenancy (terms and conditions) is not valid due to the landlord forgery.
  • DaftyDuck
    DaftyDuck Posts: 4,609 Forumite
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    Sabrinah wrote: »
    No, I was present when the landlord signed the tenancy agreement with me. B.

    Therefore, his signature is not fake. It's quite clearly his mark, whatever it may look like, or not look alike to.
  • amiehall
    amiehall Posts: 1,363 Forumite
    Sabrinah wrote: »
    The rent is expensive and I would like to move before the two months notice since theoretically the tenancy (terms and conditions) is not valid due to the landlord forgery.

    If you wanted to leave, why didn't you give your own notice?! It may be too late now depending on when your rental periods are, however, you would only have had to give 1 month's notice...

    Your "fake" signature excuse is going to go nowhere I'm afraid! You even admit you witnessed him signing it.... I'm honestly a bit confused :o
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  • ViolaLass
    ViolaLass Posts: 5,764 Forumite
    Surely it's the signature on the cheque that should be questioned since that's the one that you didn't witness.
  • DaftyDuck wrote: »
    It's quite clearly his mark, whatever it may look like, or not look alike to.
    So, what the purpose of a signature so?

    According to the terms and conditions of the tenancy agreement, shouldn't it be the same mark on the cheque or notice?
  • amiehall wrote: »
    You even admit you witnessed him signing it.... I'm honestly a bit confused :o

    No, I said the landlord was with me and one of his friend and I believe it is this last that signed at his place (the took the tenancy together to the opposite side of the room and I didn't see who really signed the tenancy since they turned their backs on me).
  • nidO
    nidO Posts: 847 Forumite
    Sabrinah wrote: »
    So, what the purpose of a signature so?

    It's an acknowledgement of intent, and only very loosely for identification purposes.

    You have no recourse for complaining that the signature on your tenancy agreement is "fake" because you yourself admit you watched the guy sign it, so whatever he put on that piece of paper (and he can literally put anything he wants) is by definition his signature.

    This signature then changing is also no recourse. Trying to get out of the conditions that bind you by claiming that the signature on a subsequent cheque or termination notice might be "fake" will go precisely as far as you asking the landlord "did you sign this?" and him saying "yes". WHAT he signed it with is, basically, immaterial.
  • ViolaLass wrote: »
    Surely it's the signature on the cheque that should be questioned since that's the one that you didn't witness.
    So, how can I questionned it so? Should I just sent him (or his solicitor) a formal letter with a copy of the cheque and the tenancy agreement?
  • nidO wrote: »
    It's an acknowledgement of intent, and only very loosely for identification purposes.

    You have no recourse for complaining that the signature on your tenancy agreement is "fake" because you yourself admit you watched the guy sign it, so whatever he put on that piece of paper (and he can literally put anything he wants) is by definition his signature.

    This signature then changing is also no recourse. Trying to get out of the conditions that bind you by claiming that the signature on a subsequent cheque or termination notice might be "fake" will go precisely as far as you asking the landlord "did you sign this?" and him saying "yes". WHAT he signed it with is, basically, immaterial.
    Except there are terms and conditions with the tenancy agreement.
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