Help with car parking partnership

onepunchmick

Cheers, I've emailed him to request codes for Both tickets.

Coupon-mad

You mean Steve Clark of the BPA? Hope you have said more than 'asking for codes'. Hope you worded it as a clear complaint about CPP and said they ignored your appeal and never sent a rejection letter & codes?

onepunchmick

Yes laid out complete lack of anything forthcoming from Car Parking Partnership, basically they have said pay up or else. No reasons provided for tickets issued on a vehicle with a permit in a bay on a work site. He has already replied asking for details of both tickets (only got the one on my desk at work so will sort tonight) and breakdown of letters/emails.

onepunchmick

Ok emailed BPA stating I'd had one letter and one email since they were issued. Since then I have had one more letter telling me to pay £80 or else... Britishparking.co.uk have replied BPA – 03693 – G1Y8B7 stating a notice was sent (i didn't get it). The second ticket is at notice to keeper stage. They state no breach has happened and they consider matter closed. Love too how the header of the email shows Biritishparking to be part of liberty printers ltd... handy for those tickets.

Coupon-mad

So if one ticket is at NTK stage then send an appeal as keeper - not implying who was driving (as you will find examples of in the 'Private Parking ticket? Newbies read this first!' sticky thread).

The other one - first ticket - you should just keep all letters in a folder, don;t throw them away and do not 'return to sender' or anything daft, the debt collector chain of letters; keep it. I would suggest you Google 'CPP PS&P Collector' and read the forum threads from recent weeks on here and on pepipoo about their letter chain pretending they have 'doorstep agents' which they don't!!

CPP have not taken anyone to court, certainly no-one in the last 12 months, so it will be a matter of keeping all the letter chain for the ticket you are 'too late' to appeal, and beating them at POPLA with the second ticket.

onepunchmick

Thanks will do, started using example I think you did for someone else.. but obviously changing the dates and names as needed

I am the registered keeper of the car mentioned in your Notice to Keeper that was dated 11/01/14. I was surprised to see you are demanding £80 from myself as the keeper, when of course you have missed the deadline to establish 'keeper liability' under POFA 2012.

Your Notice alleges an incident on 8/10/13 and if you had wanted to establish keeper liability under the POFA 2012 you were duty bound under the Act, to ensure that a compliant Notice to Keeper was served between day 29 and day 56. Clearly, to send the Notice in the post, a full two months later is fatally late for your purposes.

So my appeal is based on these facts:

- your NTK arrived too late so I am not liable (the driver will not be divulged so don't ask and don't pretend you have the powers to insist. You don't).

- the car is covered by a fully-paid permit, so the driver was not trespassing and there was no loss nor damage caused by the parking event. Under the BPA CoP, a PCN for 'breach of terms' (as you allege) must only be a genuine pre-estimate of loss. The permit is attached at all times to the windscreen of the vehicle 'top right', it is never removed.

- the only contract to park is with the University and all payments are up to date.

- Car Parking Partnership is a mere agent who does not own the land, so you have no standing to make any contracts with drivers nor to pursue these charges in your name. If you allege you do, then you will need to show your landowner/client contract to POPLA and myself at the second stage appeal.

I invite you to cancel this charge since you can see that you have no cause to pursue it now that I have pointed out the flaws. As there exists only a flawed/late Notice to Keeper, I am not liable in law. But under the BPA CoP, clause 22.14, you must consider appeals from registered keepers because they are entitled to appeal to POPLA.

So if after careful consideration you decide to reject this appeal, you must send me a POPLA code without further ado, as was reminded to the BPA in the recent POPLA Newsletter (Nov 2013). Or you can confirm that the charge is cancelled.

yours,

Coupon-mad

Great, send it off, game on!

onepunchmick

And so it continues, at work and wife just called as a letter arrived (she is seriously worried boys are coming round to take the kids/TV/my testicles). Having not seen the letter and just going off gist over phone it appears to be response to letter about first ticket, they state I'm too late and ignored notice to keeper (I didn't as I never got one for the first ticket). As it is too late they are refusing to enter in to conversation with me and demand £80 in the next 14 days...

onepunchmick

Ok a few bits from the letter dated 3rd Feb (arrived yesterday 2nd class as ever).

Please be advised you were previously sent a notice to keeper... Pay the outstanding amount, provide name of driver if not you challenge it.

Slight paraphrase but thats gist of start, I did not recieve a NTK for the first ticket and I told them this in my reply letter replying to the Keeper libility Notice.

This stated

Its is now to late to supply the name of the driver or make representation against the CPN.

then basically PAY NOW!

Car parking partnership is now not able to accept an appeal and will not enter to further correspondence regarding the ntoice. Make payment with 14 days of the date on this letter

So.. my question is where do I go now if the won't actually speak to me>? Already tried BPA they saw no breach... any help appreciated

Hot_Bring

Personally I'd respond to them as the registered keeper saying you deny any responsibility and as they are not prepared to enter in discussion and consider your appeals for both invoices neither will you and so you now consider the issue closed.