gross misconduct..appeal

patman99

Depending how long he has worked at the firm I would suggest that he forgets that he ever worked there and just tells any prospective employer that he is a University Student now looking for work.

There are 2 firms I have left after arguments with management. Neither ever gets a mention on my cv or job application forms.

RichardD1970

ohreally wrote: »

A prospective employer will seek a reference from the previous employer, either from HR or director level.

keyser666 wrote: »

Not always

ohreally wrote: »

I'll give you corner shops and market stalls.

If you cast an eye over my other post, I referred to organisational employers.

When I applied for my current job, it was first through a very large agency (maybe the biggest?). They didn't want references but wanted the contact details of two people who known me for so many years, in a none supervisory capacity.

mililly

18 months and the trouble is hes gained a lot of experience there. To leave it off the cv would probably not do him any favours. I think like said earlier best to be honest and maybe he will win the appeal.

John1993_2

mililly wrote: »

18 months and the trouble is hes gained a lot of experience there. To leave it off the cv would probably not do him any favours. I think like said earlier best to be honest and maybe he will win the appeal.

He should be honest, but it's OK to try to phrase the truth in as positive a way as possible.

If, for example, he was over the top in telling a junior what to do, you can say;

"I was disciplined for being overly dictatorial in my relationships with a subordinate. I thought at the time that what I was doing was firm but fair management, but can see now that I handled things pretty poorly. I've certainly learned from this, and would not deal with the situation the same way in future."

BobQ

mililly wrote: »

He is grown up for 22. Ive not said he isnt I was just asking for advice. He has done nothing wrong and is just bothered by how it will afect him getting another job. I dont know why some of these replies are coming across as sounding nasty when you dont even know him. He cant take action for something he hasnt done. This is why it has gone to appeal.

Milly,


I am not being nasty just commenting on what you said which suggests he has not told the truth up to now (quoted below). I appreciate you are trying to help your son but I am just saying that at 22 he is old enough to know truthfulness is the best policy in life.


You said:


Originally Posted by mililly
Think will see what happens tomorrow and if he gets stuck I think that telling agencies the truth may have to be the way forward. Its not that he intended to lie he just didnt know what to do for the best.

BobQ

ohreally wrote: »

Known as a testimony and no organisational HR dept will accept this as an alternative to a reference for obvious reasons.

Nothing is obvious and calling something by another name does not make your comment any more credible just a little pretentious.


A character reference can be provided by anyone. Its worth is dependent on the credibility of the provider and its not an employers reference. But I can assure you that reputable employers do ask for a character reference and its up to them to make what they want of its content if it refers to your personal knowledge of the applicant derived from their work.

SeaLion_2

BobQ wrote: »

Nothing is obvious and calling something by another name does not make your comment any more credible just a little pretentious.


A character reference can be provided by anyone. Its worth is dependent on the credibility of the provider and its not an employers reference. But I can assure you that reputable employers do ask for a character reference and its up to them to make what they want of its content if it refers to your personal knowledge of the applicant derived from their work.

I think you mean that most reputable employers are not interested in a character reference unless someone is just a school or uni leaver.
There is far too much risk for an employer in not getting an employer's reference and there are far too many applicants to choose from to bother with one without suitable references.