Good policing or just invasive?

Joe_Horner

Guest101 wrote: »

If the officer cannot deal with each situation on an individual basis he or she should not do the job. I'm exercising my rights, it's that simple.

And aren't you lucky that they haven't (so far) exercised their right to call in a roadside vehicle inspection despite your childish and obstructive attitude?

Sadly, the Forum Gods censor my right of free speech to describe you, and your insanely poor advice*, in terms that I have absolutely no doubt 90%+ of other posters here would agree with.




* It may be technically correct in some aspects, but it's virtually guaranteed to make any encounter with the police longer, more stressful, and potentially more expensive for anyone naive enough to follow it.

Guest101

sinbad182 wrote: »

You're inflaming every situation you find yourself in with the police thanks to your poorly researched attempts at understanding the law, and your pointlessly obstructive attitude towards straightforward requests.

To be honest you don't come across as being all the way there mentally if you know what I mean.

I'd like to know what trouble you got yourself in with them to end up with this chip on the shoulder?

Requests, which I can choose to ignore. It is my right. My research is correct. And you are not a police officer (thank god). I am just using my freedom. You can act as you wish. Stop imposing your beliefs on others.

I don't know what you mean, no.

And never been charged

Guest101

Joe_Horner wrote: »

And aren't you lucky that they haven't (so far) exercised their right to call in a roadside vehicle inspection despite your childish and obstructive attitude? because I maintain my vehicle as a responsible person should?your opinions is yours to have, just because we disagree doesn't make me wrong.

Sadly, the Forum Gods censor my right of free speech to describe you, and your insanely poor advice*, in terms that I have absolutely no doubt 90%+ of other posters here would agree with. you mean swearing, which has been moderated by the police? Which I disagree with also. 99% could disagree, doesn't make my views any less worthy.




* It may be technically correct in some aspects, but it's virtually guaranteed to make any encounter with the police longer, more stressful, and potentially more expensive for anyone naive enough to follow it. only those who break the law

Reply above I'm red

sinbad182

A definite personality disorder me thinks

Guest101

sinbad182 wrote: »

A definite personality disorder me thinks

Someone disagrees with you and therefore must have a medical problem? YOU think I have the disorder? Hmmm

sinbad182

Nothing to do with disagreeing with you.

Its the fact you view the most Straightforward of interactions with the police as an attack on your freedoms or rights, and scattergun 'research' law in a cack handed attempt to make these incidents ten times more confrontational than they already are that makes me think you suffer from some kind of personality disorder.

Either that or you're just a cantankerous so and so who likes to make life more difficult than it has to be.

Herzlos

Joe_Horner wrote: »

* It may be technically correct in some aspects, but it's virtually guaranteed to make any encounter with the police longer, more stressful, and potentially more expensive for anyone naive enough to follow it.

Exactly, whilst it might be mostly technically correct, all you're doing is being obstructive, wasting everyone's time and being a nuisance.

I bet you'd find you'd be on your way a lot quicker and in a better mood if you treated them like you want them to treat you instead of being confrontational and insisting it 'sticking to your rights' by the book. Especially if they decide to play along and go by the book too :rotfl:

I've had discussions with police officers a few times and never felt any abuse of rights, and always been away quickly and civilly. But then I know a lot of police officers socially and I'm aware that they are (in general) just normal people doing a normal job, with no interest in being or dealing with !!!!!!.

Guest101

Herzlos wrote: »

Exactly, whilst it might be mostly technically correct, all you're doing is being obstructive, wasting everyone's time and being a nuisance.

I bet you'd find you'd be on your way a lot quicker and in a better mood if you treated them like you want them to treat you instead of being confrontational and insisting it 'sticking to your rights' by the book. Especially if they decide to play along and go by the book too :rotfl:

I've had discussions with police officers a few times and never felt any abuse of rights, and always been away quickly and civilly. But then I know a lot of police officers socially and I'm aware that they are (in general) just normal people doing a normal job, with no interest in being or dealing with !!!!!!.

I actually agree with you, the majority are normal people doing a stressful job. And when they do it well I have no need to flex my rights, and I don't.

The principle is, as the op wrote, rude and aggressive policing. If you seek peace, prepare for war. Know your rights, should you need to use them.

Vast majority if the time I don't film the police and will act in a friendly manner, if they are doing likewise.

A minority give the police a bad name, which is where I'm coming from

Guest101

sinbad182 wrote: »

Nothing to do with disagreeing with you.

Its the fact you view the most Straightforward of interactions with the police as an attack on your freedoms or rights, and scattergun 'research' law in a cack handed attempt to make these incidents ten times more confrontational than they already are that makes me think you suffer from some kind of personality disorder.

Either that or you're just a cantankerous so and so who likes to make life more difficult than it has to be.

You are making plenty of assumptions about me, but you can do as you like. You neither concern, nor impact my life.

The police do a good job in general, and I respect that.

Joe_Horner

Guest101 wrote: »

Think alot of people arent aware of the laws. so here goes.

You are approached by police whilst in your vehicle.

You should, but do not have to, turn your engine off. You should do so, so you may film the encounter using an electical device. As the laws which relate to mobile phone usage apply to stationary vehicles.

You should lower the window approximately 8 centimetres, so you can speak to the officer.

You should not leave your vehicle. You must only do so if you are arrested. Film the encounter.

You can film the police (s.44 of the terrorims act has been abolished). Do so.

You do not need to answer any questions. However you must provide your details. These can be written down for the officer.

You should ensure they show you their warrent card and identify themselves, giving their name and their station.

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That's advocating a list of actions to be taken as soon as you're stopped and before you have any way of knowing the officers' attitudes. It also categorically advises "filming the encounter" in every case - not "be ready to film if they're a*holes" but "You can film the police. Do so" and "Film the encounter"

Guest101 wrote: »

I actually agree with you, the majority are normal people doing a stressful job. And when they do it well I have no need to flex my rights, and I don't.

But you've already said (see first quote) that you start "flexing your rights" before you can possibly know how they're going to act.

Guest101 wrote: »

Vast majority if the time I don't film the police and will act in a friendly manner, if they are doing likewise.

But that's completely contrary to the advice you give in your first post. If you're going to try and back out of a corner you've built, start by removing the original bad advice