35 hours a week for Jobsearch, not possible?

ArtoDeeto

szam_ wrote: »

He lives in Burnley, which has pretty good links to Rochdale, Greater Manchester, Accrington, Blackburn, Rossendale, amongst other locations if you really, really want a job (i.e. train to Preston not that far away (30 mins), Leeds, which I think it goes through Huddersfield if you're desperate, Halifax is possible too)

So No jobs in Burnley, Rochdale, Greater Manchester, Accrington, Blackburn, Rossendale, Huddersfield and Leeds. ::: Isn't that pretty much the whole of the North???
MY GOD LET'S ALL PACK UP AND COMMIT MASS SUICIDE - that said I'm sure I saw a policeman and dustman the other day : is that voluntary work?

FBaby

It's a complete fallacy to think imposing ridiculous infinite impossible to verify conditionality on poor, vulnerable, people living on the breadline will solve unemployment & get them a job.

For a start, I never said I agreed with how the fines are imposed. I don't have an opinion because I have no personal experience of it and don't take for gospel people's claimed experience on forums.

Your examples about yourself are irrelevant as they do not apply to everybody.

Because there are many examples that apply to everyone?

People in work are doing a paid job & have rights.

That is your mistake in your understanding.

Your mistake is to see JSA as remuneration for work. It isn't at all, it income so that you don't end up in the street starving and nothing more. It comes with conditions of doing everything you can to get out of it and get a paid job that will give you the rights you are after.

sniggings

donnajunkie wrote: »

isnt it you must be willing to do all jobs you can do? not you must apply for all jobs out there that you can do. afterall you may not see every job you can do. you cant apply for something you dont know about.

no the wording is, you have to apply for all jobs you can do, it's a sure why to sanction someone if they wish.

sniggings

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes, this applies to jobs you know about. so plucking a job out from somewhere that you havent applied for isnt good enough because you can say you havent seen it and are willing to apply for it. that is why this in main applies to jobs they have already told you about. it means you cant say i'm not applying for that. this is why they dont just print out job details for you and why they also register on the system that they have refered you for it. this enables a sanction to stand if you dont apply.

I am not sure if you are unemployed atm but you seem to be quoting stuff as fact and getting it wrong...you have to apply for all jobs you are capable of doing, they do not qualify that in any way by saying "if you know about it" etc they also include in many agreements you have to search direct gov site and indeed site and monster sites, that is in my agreement and I was told it's a standard agreemnt they make all JSA people sign in my office, so from them 3 sites, if I were to miss one job they think I should have applied for they can sanction me.

The way the system is set up atm is disgusting and the Tories after this will be lucky if they ever get back in power again.

sniggings

prowla wrote: »

Does training & ensuring you skills are up to date count as part of the 35 hours?

yes if you do less than 16 hours :rotfl: as more than that you can't claim benefit as you are not available for work.

sniggings

Macca83 wrote: »

Is this the same guy that started the thread about turning up to interviews in a t-shirt that said 'gay'

no it was to the job center to stand at a PC to do a search for jobs to apply for, a big difference.

mro

sniggings wrote: »

no the wording is, you have to apply for all jobs you can do, it's a sure why to sanction someone if they wish.

sniggings wrote: »

I am not sure if you are unemployed atm but you seem to be quoting stuff as fact and getting it wrong...you have to apply for all jobs you are capable of doing, they do not qualify that in any way by saying "if you know about it" etc they also include in many agreements you have to search direct gov site and indeed site and monster sites, that is in my agreement and I was told it's a standard agreemnt they make all JSA people sign in my office, so from them 3 sites, if I were to miss one job they think I should have applied for they can sanction me.

The way the system is set up atm is disgusting and the Tories after this will be lucky if they ever get back in power again.

It's called infinite unlimited impossible to define job search to imprison people and then sanction them.

stix62

sniggings wrote: »

yes if you do less than 16 hours :rotfl: as more than that you can't claim benefit as you are not available for work.

By the same reasoning then, the 35 hrs should be reduced to under 16 :think:

sniggings

stix62 wrote: »

By the same reasoning then, the 35 hrs should be reduced to under 16 :think:

I think they are confusing themselves in the rush to be nasty instead of helping the unemployed with effective job hunting.

They (the Tories) have also said they are considering making people work 35 hours a week for their dole, I guess they remembered we need some time to do the job hunting so stopped at 35 hours instead of 40 to allow 5 hours to job hunt, they wouldn't dare upset the EU and make us do a 40 hour week plus extra on job hunting.

So 35 hours doing anything is their aim, be it work or job hunting they are not bothered which clearly shows it's not about effective job hunting but punishing those without a job.

Denning.

sniggings wrote: »

I think they are confusing themselves in the rush to be nasty instead of helping the unemployed with effective job hunting.

They (the Tories) have also said they are considering making people work 35 hours a week for their dole, I guess they remembered we need some time to do the job hunting so stopped at 35 hours instead of 40 to allow 5 hours to job hunt, they wouldn't dare upset the EU and make us do a 40 hour week plus extra on job hunting.

So 35 hours doing anything is their aim, be it work or job hunting they are not bothered which clearly shows it's not about effective job hunting but punishing those without a job.

It is quite clearly policy to use a stick rather than a carrot to get people into work. I would bet most people support such measures. It is odd that a certain type of people are fixated on 'only doing 35 hours, no more, any more is slavery, disgusting'.