35 hours a week for Jobsearch, not possible?

goonarmy

stix62 wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I can see the good intention but you have no idea how soul destroying job searching can be. It's mind numbing and spending that amount of time jobsearching would be very detrimental to one's state of mind

What are you on about? I have no idea? Was I bequeathed employment? Utterly rediculous statement.

goonarmy

Dunroamin wrote: »

Speculative applications do have a low success rate but people can get jobs from them and they are very little effort to do, so why not?

If emailing then they dont even cost. And cut n paste means they are replicable and easily edited if required.

donnajunkie

imatt wrote: »

Hmmm...you do have a point there. Did not fully consider that.

As far as wasting time is concerned, I was thinking about a particular business as much as the jobseeker.

Yes, a jobseeker may complete a job application in a minute or two. However, as a business owner or head of HR for Bloggs & Son, I would not like to sift through multiple applications half of which may be totally unsuitable. Such as someone in Newcastle (upon Tyne) applying for a vacancy posted on UJM paying just 10% above the NMW when the company is based in Portsmouth!

dont spend too much time worrying that you have wasted their time. you have to do what you have to do. if any raise the issue with you just apologise and explain why.

donnajunkie

Affynity wrote: »

No, because speculative applications are the most dramatically inefficient way of applying for jobs.
They're a wonderful scapegoat for people like the JCP and the work programme because they can pretend the labour market is stronger by whatever arbitrary amount they choose.

Try to remember that when we all paid our taxes to fund universal jobmatch, it was meant to effectively eliminate fallacies like hidden jobs, because there was no cost to the employer, regardless of how small their operation.

i wouldnt rule them out altogether. they can sometimes work.

Affynity

Dunroamin wrote: »

Speculative applications do have a low success rate but people can get jobs from them and they are very little effort to do, so why not?

The reason why they have a low success rate is because this idea that employers have this innate inability to advertise is ridiculous.
And, the fact that you are essentially aiming without a target.
It's statistically unreasonable to expect it to have an effect.
I dunno, maybe those who champion speculative applications lead non-efficacious lives...

People also need to remember that because you might be unaware of a vacancy, doesn't mean it's hidden.

donnajunkie

Morlock wrote: »

The 35 hour a week job search requirement does not apply to JSA claimants, only to Universal Credit claimants. And if a UC claimant has taken all reasonable actions to obtain work, a sanction referral should not be made if that takes fewer than 35 hours.

but there will always be something you havent done that they can think of. therefore they can say you havent done everything reasonable to find work if you havent reached the 35 hours.

donnajunkie

sniggings wrote: »

that may all be true but again once they include a condition in your "agreement" then it does become sanctionable, many of us have a min amount of time a week we have to search and a min number of jobs a week with have to apply for, in our agreement.
try and quote the rules to a JC adviser and they would soon have you on a sanction, and it's very easy to do, all they have to do is find one job out of all the sites on the internet you have not applied for and they can sanction you, as one of the rules that is not in the agreement but is a basic rule of claiming JSA is that you have to apply for ALL jobs you are able to do, so god forbid you should miss applying for one.

isnt it you must be willing to do all jobs you can do? not you must apply for all jobs out there that you can do. afterall you may not see every job you can do. you cant apply for something you dont know about.

stix62

donnajunkie wrote: »

isnt it you must be willing to do all jobs you can do? not you must apply for all jobs out there that you can do. afterall you may not see every job you can do. you cant apply for something you dont know about.

The actual wording on the JSAg is 'capable of'... doing.

donnajunkie

Affynity wrote: »

The reason why they have a low success rate is because this idea that employers have this innate inability to advertise is ridiculous.
And, the fact that you are essentially aiming without a target.
It's statistically unreasonable to expect it to have an effect.
I dunno, maybe those who champion speculative applications lead non-efficacious lives...

People also need to remember that because you might be unaware of a vacancy, doesn't mean it's hidden.

there are some employers who just want to get a vacancy filled as quickly as possible and dont see it necessary to make people jump through loads of hoops to get a job.

donnajunkie

stix62 wrote: »

The actual wording on the JSAg is 'capable of'... doing.

the relevant aspect here is its you must be willing to do and not you must apply for every job.