35 hours a week for Jobsearch, not possible?

sniggings

stix62 wrote: »

'the truth is the government want unemployed figures high as it means cheap labour, why do you think they let immigration get out of control, do you think they believed it would raise wages? no they knew it would lower them'

Haha, don't I know it.

Last year I was taken on in a local factory to learn to set up and run an industrial sized cnc routing machine (after going for an admin interview ). I'd guess 75% of the workforce was polish.
Most of my working life has been setting cnc press brakes and for doing what I'd consider the same semi skilled job I used to do they were on less money than I was on 16 years ago! £7 per hour they were on.
I was being trained by a polish lad (decent enough lad though a bit 2 faced) but I couldn't help but point out how they were being ripped off wage-wise. He wasn't bothered in the slightest. His attitude was ' if I don't do it they have a list of another few hundred Polish people who will.' There were health and safety issues regarding protection on the machine we were working on (safety curtains cut off!!) and they didn't want to know. A shrug of the shoulders and..'so?'
I seriously think I'm not there now because I was seen as threat to the polish workers. It was on there say as to how I was progressing with my training which was farcical to say the least. Talk about language barriers, jees, I couldn't understand half of what they were saying. I've never felt so foreign in my own country

that's terrible, and if you say anything about it you get accused of being a bigot or racist, yet how can anyone read that and think that is right.

red_devil

It says you are supposed to be applying for jobs up to 90 mins away, how can you afforc train fares on the minimum wage.

are you expectec to apply for work which would make you no better off.

sniggings

red_devil wrote: »

It says you are supposed to be applying for jobs up to 90 mins away, how can you afforc train fares on the minimum wage.

are you expectec to apply for work which would make you no better off.

no, the rule is, if the job makes you worse off then you do not have to take it, not sure if you have to take it is you are exactly the same tho

there is a calculation they can do to give you a figure, next time you are in there you could ask, google might come up with a calculator on this for you.

November5th

sniggings wrote: »

I am not sure if you are unemployed atm but you seem to be quoting stuff as fact and getting it wrong...you have to apply for all jobs you are capable of doing, they do not qualify that in any way by saying "if you know about it" etc they also include in many agreements you have to search direct gov site and indeed site and monster sites, that is in my agreement and I was told it's a standard agreemnt they make all JSA people sign in my office, so from them 3 sites, if I were to miss one job they think I should have applied for they can sanction me.

The way the system is set up atm is disgusting and the Tories after this will be lucky if they ever get back in power again.

On my JSA agreement they have a job site I am supposed to use that is for journalists only! I have no idea where they got that from ( i am no journo) but I just can't be bothered to fix their mistakes anymore. Start a new job on Monday thank heavens so was only signed on for 2 weeks this time. Mys JSA also asks for 40 hours a week job seeking, I don't think I get a lunch hour
However, this time round they were a lot more intelligent about what I should apply for and agreed it should be the work I am likely to get - I didn't get the 'oh, just apply for anything to make up the numbers' I used to get.
They also were very keen on the research I put in.

AP007

red_devil wrote: »

It says you are supposed to be applying for jobs up to 90 mins away, how can you afforc train fares on the minimum wage.

are you expectec to apply for work which would make you no better off.

If you live in London 90 mins and 20 mins would be the same fare if you lived say in zone 5 & travelling to other side of London in zone 5

sniggings

November5th wrote: »

On my JSA agreement they have a job site I am supposed to use that is for journalists only! I have no idea where they got that from ( i am no journo) but I just can't be bothered to fix their mistakes anymore. Start a new job on Monday thank heavens so was only signed on for 2 weeks this time. Mys JSA also asks for 40 hours a week job seeking, I don't think I get a lunch hour
However, this time round they were a lot more intelligent about what I should apply for and agreed it should be the work I am likely to get - I didn't get the 'oh, just apply for anything to make up the numbers' I used to get.
They also were very keen on the research I put in.

it's all mainly depended on the adviser you get, there is also a rule you are allowed to limited your search for the first 13 weeks to your chosen field, so that is probably the reason for that.

All it takes is a bad adviser and the rules are such that it is very easy to sanction someone.

It has been proved over and over again that if you treat someone a certain way, they will take on that roll.

The rules now are such that it's a game, job hunting goes out the window, JSA claimants are spending their time trying to fulfill daft ceritara, so the adviser can tick their boxes, which creates a sense of stress and fear of being sanctioned, instead of a claimant that is motivated into finding suitable work.

well done on the job btw :beer:

November5th

sniggings wrote: »

it's all mainly depended on the adviser you get, there is also a rule you are allowed to limited your search for the first 13 weeks to your chosen field, so that is probably the reason for that.

All it takes is a bad adviser and the rules are such that it is very easy to sanction someone.

It has been proved over and over again that if you treat someone a certain way, they will take on that roll.

The rules now are such that it's a game, job hunting goes out the window, JSA claimants are spending their time trying to fulfill daft ceritara, so the adviser can tick their boxes, which creates a sense of stress and fear of being sanctioned, instead of a claimant that is motivated into finding suitable work.

well done on the job btw :beer:

Thanks! Freelancing, as my most recent permanent jobs have been anything but. I hope I can make it work I will be happier for sure.

The 40 hour thing is freakish, they can't prove I didn't, I can't prove I did - it wouldn't make it through a court. The only reason they can be trying this on is for sanctioning purposes, however in the end after appeal it will just cost them more. You are right, you could be spending too much time worrying about your evidence to the JC rather than nailing a job. Crazy.

donnajunkie

sniggings wrote: »

no, the rule is, if the job makes you worse off then you do not have to take it, not sure if you have to take it is you are exactly the same tho

there is a calculation they can do to give you a figure, next time you are in there you could ask, google might come up with a calculator on this for you.

but they twist things so that no matter how low the wage is it somehow always makes out you will be better off.

donnajunkie

November5th wrote: »

On my JSA agreement they have a job site I am supposed to use that is for journalists only! I have no idea where they got that from ( i am no journo) but I just can't be bothered to fix their mistakes anymore. Start a new job on Monday thank heavens so was only signed on for 2 weeks this time. Mys JSA also asks for 40 hours a week job seeking, I don't think I get a lunch hour
However, this time round they were a lot more intelligent about what I should apply for and agreed it should be the work I am likely to get - I didn't get the 'oh, just apply for anything to make up the numbers' I used to get.
They also were very keen on the research I put in.

but if you had to do 40 hours per week you would end up having no choice but to apply for anything to fill the time.

stix62

sniggings wrote: »

it's all mainly depended on the adviser you get, there is also a rule you are allowed to limited your search for the first 13 weeks to your chosen field, so that is probably the reason for that.

All it takes is a bad adviser and the rules are such that it is very easy to sanction someone.

It has been proved over and over again that if you treat someone a certain way, they will take on that roll.

The rules now are such that it's a game, job hunting goes out the window, JSA claimants are spending their time trying to fulfill daft ceritara, so the adviser can tick their boxes, which creates a sense of stress and fear of being sanctioned, instead of a claimant that is motivated into finding suitable work.

well done on the job btw :beer:

It is very much a game these days and everything is governed by the advisor. As has been pointed out before (I don't know if it was this thread or another) fullfilling JSAg requirements is a part-time job in effect,,, and a lot more stressful. How is it right that I can look for jobs one day, see NOTHING new to apply for and instead of thinking..'never mind, i'll try again tomorrow there's sure to be something then', I think..' oh sh it, !!!!!! am I going to write in my lil grey booklet, 'they're' not going to acept this!'
Part of the game is going along to the fortnightly 'interview' (sign on) with your 'answers' prepared.
You MUST show enthusiasm to get a job and be able to talk enough nonsense to make it appear you've been looking through at least 3 different job sites regularly if not daily (especially UJM, they like that ). I always have a moan about seeing the same jobs time and time again and how the 'agencies' seem to be flooding everything with non existent jobs! Just a cv/data gathering exercise, blah blah moan moan...lol It may be a load of claptrap but it's better than nothing. I even take the opportunity to have a go at the Work Program and what a waste of my time they are. The JC aren't totally ignorant - they've heard it all before (especially about the WP).

Above all else, and some may find this difficult, have the right attitude and treat the advisor with a bit of respect. (even when you've got to the point of winding them up so much they're throwing booklets at you - a memory I shall treasure ). I sit there sometimes before I get called across to sign on, 'watching and listening', and some people just talk themselves into sanctions.
You don't know whether to feel sorry for them or laugh.


My JSAg states 3 - 4 hours per day job seeking - so 21 per week in my mind. I doubt I do anywhere near that. Once you have had a very good look around the job sites and seen everything for the past month it doesn't take long to 'catch up' every day or other day and see what's new. If there's nothing to apply for, well...