35 hours a week for Jobsearch, not possible?

Liz3yy

MSE Mods please come along and put this thread out of its misery, it's taken a rather nasty turn

marybelle01

Liz3yy wrote: »

MSE Mods please come along and put this thread out of its misery, it's taken a rather nasty turn

Yes. I have asked them to do the same thing. Clearly its is possible to spend 35 hours looking for work / doing employment related activity, and several people have confirmed this, so the question is answered.

stix62

marybelle01 wrote: »

Yes. I have asked them to do the same thing. Clearly its is possible to spend 35 hours looking for work / doing employment related activity, and several people have confirmed this, so the question is answered.

Clearly it is possible for some, not all.

debrag

marybelle01 wrote: »

I don't think anyone was saying it is easy to get a job. Wasn't the point that it is easy to spend 35 hours a week looking for work? In the grand scheme of things, I would suspect that AP007 is far more likely to succeed with their approach than someone who spends an hour a day skimming sites for jobs they can do. The question was "How do you spend 35 hours job searching..." and AP007 explained how you do it - very well I might say.

but how do you evidence this on the JSA form?

Denning.

debrag wrote: »

but how do you evidence this on the JSA form?

Surely you ask your adviser that?

debrag

Denning. wrote: »

Surely you ask your adviser that?

oh I have a job thankfully, just interested to know who you justify/document 4hr on an application form.

marybelle01

debrag wrote: »

but how do you evidence this on the JSA form?

As suggested, if it applies to you then discuss this with your advisor. That is not the issue here. Nor is it the issue whether or not AP007 has been polite to people in other threads. If you dislike their language in those threads, report it. The issue is that a poster has been told that they deserved to be made redundant because they didn't "try hard enough" not to be redundant, that they have been vilified by people for not making the "right" efforts to get a job by hiding their experience and/or qualifications, and told it is all their own fault. Sometimes, unemployment is "all your own fault" - as in you were justifiably dismissed for misconduct. But even if you are dismissed, that doesn't always mean you deserve it either - maybe you were sick, or maybe you were innocent, or maybe you just didn't have your two years under your belt.

For the record, I haven't been unemployed (intentionally) and I hope I never will be. But if, by some chance I am, I will not be hiding my three degrees or my 30+ years of senior professional management. Mostly because I am not above shelf stacking at the local supermarket but that is up to them; but also because there will be nothing left on my CV if I "dumb" it down. How do you hide a degree - " I spent three years getting GCSE English? A couple of years improving my grade (an MA)? And then I trid to get my maths GCSE (a PhD)? And all my references are for seriously professional jobs managing huge (multi-million £) programmes around the world - is that supposed to be "I think I can handle petty cash"?

I do not know AP700 from Adam. But then I don't know anyone else here from Adam. That's the whole point of an anonymous forum, isn't it. But NOBODY deserves to be told that their unemployment is their fault. I don't care how "annoying" they may be. If you think someone won't take your advice, fair enough to point out why they are wrong not to (in my opinion), or just ignore them by all means. But slagging them off, blaming them, and name calling is "inconducive".

Denning.

If you have 30+ years of experience no employer is going to notice a gap from 30 years ago, nor care, so you can easily leave of your degrees and they wouldn't notice. Putting degrees on and chances are you will get the 'you are overqualified' for shelf staking.

Going from a management job to shelf staking isn't that uncommon, many people want a step down from a stressful role. You explain that. You don't list every single achievement as if you are trying to get a similar level job when you are applying for a shelf stacker.

But sure, go ahead and list all your achievements, don't expect people to have sympathy when you come on here daily professing how hard life is.

marybelle01

Denning. wrote: »

If you have 30+ years of experience no employer is going to notice a gap from 30 years ago, nor care, so you can easily leave of your degrees and they wouldn't notice. Putting degrees on and chances are you will get the 'you are overqualified' for shelf staking.

Going from a management job to shelf staking isn't that uncommon, many people want a step down from a stressful role. You explain that. You don't list every single achievement as if you are trying to get a similar level job when you are applying for a shelf stacker.

But sure, go ahead and list all your achievements, don't expect people to have sympathy when you come on here daily professing how hard life is.

I am not here AT ALL, never mind daily, complaining about how hard my life is. But nor do I think it easy to miss out SEVEN YEARS of my life - enough time to have been in prison several times over. Let's just review my current job - programme manager, African location, managing a budget of £4.5 million per year, and 200+ professional staff. How do I hide that? Agency work?

You are just set on being insulting to everyone. I didn't ask for careers advice from you. If this is your approach then it may not be surprising that AP007 doesn't listen to you. And it still does not explain or excuse personal insults. There is a button to report abuse. There is an ignore button. Why do you have to ignore both, then think it ok to abuse others? I don't know, or care, what AP007 may have said or done on another thread. This is this thread, and she has been treated shamefully. Of course, if we are going to drag up other threads, there are a few where the "law lord" Denning got the law wrong, aren't there? So why should anyone listen to you?

Nobody has a corner on being right or being perfect. I don't claim one, but it appears you do. You have an answer for everything, even when you are wrong, and even when it means calling someone names rather than entering into a reasoned discussion. You don't know AP007. Have you read each CV they submitted and can you ascertain they didn't tailor it to the job? Do you know what their personal circumstances are, and whether they can volunteer/ have time to? Are you that intimate with them?

People can make suggestions. They may or may not work, and they may or may not be appropriate. If you think you have made "enough" suggestions and the person isn't listening, fine, say so and quit making them. But name calling suggest you are two years old. As does "she started it..."...

FBaby

If you are going from a managerial post to a stacking one, you need to make it clear to the employer that it is your choice, whether true or not. Understandably, employers don't want to recruit staff who are just there on a very temporary basis until they find much better.

However, it is not uncommon for managers who after years of stress and having paid their mortgage, actually want to do something they are more interested in that comes with much less stress. I would love to go back to working with children/teenagers at some stage on a part-time basis. If I was made redundant after paying our mortgage, I might very well look into it. I will make it clear in my cover letter that this is what I want to do, even if it is a drop in my salary/career aspiration.

People often forget that the cover letter IS the mean to explaining why one really wants the job.