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HS2, is it right for the UK?
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Yes, the benefits to the UK are far too great to ignore.So you have failed to find me a train ticket tomorrow for £75.
Nope.
Plenty of them.
Just not at peak time.
Thankfully your hypothetical meeting just hypothetically called, and said it now doesn't start until 2pm, so you'd be fine.
Very MSE....;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
No, it's a waste of money and it could be better spent elsewhere.I'm fairly ambivalent and wouldn't mind spending elsewhere, however, such a poll as yours is always going to be flawed in the sense if you ran the same poll in the 19th C on whether to build London's sewers or underground, or later the M1, you would always get a no vote.
Same with The Eifel Tower or even electrification of a nation - people in all such cases claimed these things were a waste of space and money.
Even Radio was for a few years seen as a silly unnecessary thing and people didn't want the expense of building national masts etc.
Steam driven ships, very costly to the national purse were viewed as utterly pointless as the navy carried on using sail even once engines were installed - people nearly always fail to see the benefits of the new.
Now the funny thing is of course that later people see such things as completely natural and with an obvious place in national life.
I recall most people not wanting the M25 and saying the internet was a pointless thing, that online shopping would never take hold.
I will guarantee the next generation will see HS2 as entirely natural and 'obviously' needed.
You were wasted as a mortgage adviser Conrad.
I think you are more suited as the new James Burke, hosting your own show "Conrad predicts"
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No, it's a waste of money and it could be better spent elsewhere.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Nope.
Plenty of them.
Just not at peak time.
Thankfully your hypothetical meeting just hypothetically called, and said it now doesn't start until 2pm, so you'd be fine.
Very MSE....;)
I'll dial in.
(I'd rather not see their faces y'know..:rotfl:)0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Tomorrow at peak time it's £131 each way.
Not cheap, but significantly less than the £165 each way you quoted.
The following day it drops to £131 out and £51 return.
The day after it drops to £67 out and £27 return.
And then gets cheaper the more in advance you book.
The vast majority of business travel that can't be done by car has at least a few days notice in my experience.
£308 for an any time return leaving peak time AM.
12/11/2013 - the same.
Source:- Trainline. (Same on Raileasy for next day or £285 next week))"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Nope.
Plenty of them.
Just not at peak time.
Thankfully your hypothetical meeting just hypothetically called, and said it now doesn't start until 2pm, so you'd be fine.
Very MSE....;)
Being very MSE I would arrange meetings throughout the day. It would be rare to waste 8/9 hours travelling for a 14:00 meeting."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Yes, the benefits to the UK are far too great to ignore.It costs me almost £300 to travel to London and back on the same day for a reasonable London start (Say 9-10AM arrival). I can drive down, park and drive back, albeit a longer journey but for under £100. I can fly for less than the cost of a train ticket.
What would be the benefit to me? Oh wait, there isn't one
In that case the MSE thing to do would be to arrive in London for, say, 11AM. I never arrange meetingsin London before noon if I can help it, and my clients understand. Unless you're commuting into London every day, it should be possible to arrange a schedule to suit. I realise that there are exceptions to this. It depends on what you want to achieve from your trip to London.grizzly1911 wrote: »Being very MSE I would arrange meetings throughout the day. It would be rare to waste 8/9 hours travelling for a 14:00 meeting.
Being MSE I would start the set of meetings at 11, and work till about 6.0 -
No, it's a waste of money and it could be better spent elsewhere.In that case the MSE thing to do would be to arrive in London for, say, 11AM. I never arrange meetingsin London before noon if I can help it, and my clients understand. Unless you're commuting into London every day, it should be possible to arrange a schedule to suit. I realise that there are exceptions to this. It depends on what you want to achieve from your trip to London.
When I was working in London on a regular basis, it was actually cheaper for me to make the outbound journey the London->Manchester leg (and the return the opposite of course). This involved exactly the same peak time trains!
The moral of the story? Well I suppose the MSE response should be to get those Londoners to come to you! [11am start is fine, we will be in the pub 
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Yes, the benefits to the UK are far too great to ignore.When I was working in London on a regular basis, it was actually cheaper for me to make the outbound journey the London->Manchester leg (and the return the opposite of course). This involved exactly the same peak time trains!
The moral of the story? Well I suppose the MSE response should be to get those Londoners to come to you! [11am start is fine, we will be in the pub ]
I'm quite happy to meet in the pub! :beer:0 -
When I was working in London on a regular basis, it was actually cheaper for me to make the outbound journey the London->Manchester leg (and the return the opposite of course). This involved exactly the same peak time trains!
The moral of the story? Well I suppose the MSE response should be to get those Londoners to come to you! [11am start is fine, we will be in the pub ]
I have a friend who used to do that too. Buying the ticket in London but it was his own business. To confusing for me and invariably I would forget one of the legs just when I most needed it.
I also knew someone who would by a ticket from an outlier station, off the main trunk, which conveniently went thorough the station he got on at. That was substantially cheaper too."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
You'd rather they didn't try and save costs? You seem to want it both ways!
I'd rather not have the costs (best guesses) in the first place."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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