People that park their cars on pavements.....

earthstorm

Azari wrote: »

) it is not illegal provided you do not cause an obstruction.

It is illegal as to park your wheels on a pavement then you must have driven on the pavement

145

You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & RTA 1988 sect 34

earthstorm

goater78 wrote: »

Yes it's illegal in London I agree. However because it says "should not" for the rest of the country that makes it not an offence. That makes it a recommendation not a law.

I don't really understand why but that's what the advice seems to be.

Google it as there are quite a few discussions about it.

it states

should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it

so you can if a sign says you can , but then

145

You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & RTA 1988 sect 34

so how does your vehicle gets its wheels on the pavement, you have to drive on the pavement which is ILLEGAL no matter what part of the country you are in

System

I know it's controversial but I'm basing my knowledge on the government website. Which seems to suggest its only illegal if the signs are up!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/freeing-pedestrians-from-pavement-parking-blight

Azari

goater78 wrote: »

I know it's controversial but I'm basing my knowledge on the government website. Which seems to suggest its only illegal if the signs are up!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/freeing-pedestrians-from-pavement-parking-blight

Your are correct on this.

That doesn't alter the fact that your stated view is that it is OK to ignore laws that do not appear to be being enforced. Which is the sort of attitude I expect from a drooling chav rather than a respected poster on MSE.

earthstorm

goater78 wrote: »

I know it's controversial but I'm basing my knowledge on the government website. Which seems to suggest its only illegal if the signs are up!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/freeing-pedestrians-from-pavement-parking-blight

well what i quoted is also from the government website, but not their news pages

https://www.gov.uk/waiting-and-parking/parking-239-to-247

System

Azari wrote: »

Your are correct on this.

That doesn't alter the fact that your stated view is that it is OK to ignore laws that do not appear to be being enforced. Which is the sort of attitude I expect from a drooling chav rather than a respected poster on MSE.

I'm not respected! I would say it's the exact opposite of that!

Some laws are ridiculous. It's illegal for the royal family to marry a catholic but I wouldn't call them "chavs" if they did!

System

earthstorm wrote: »

well what i quoted is also from the government website, but not their news pages

https://www.gov.uk/waiting-and-parking/parking-239-to-247

Yes but you're misinterpreting the law to fit your argument. I accept to laymen like ourselves it looks illegal, but if you google it and read advice from legal experts and consumer sites the words "should not" are important in legal documents that mean it's not illegal to park on a pavement (as long as it's not obstruction).

earthstorm

goater78 wrote: »

Yes but you're misinterpreting the law to fit your argument.

No i am not the quotes are exactly whats in the Highway code and on the government website as listed.


hows this misinterpreting the law.

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15

145

You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & RTA 1988 sect 34

To me its very clear, so you can IF a sign says your CAN and not the other way round. but then the law says you can drive on a pavement, which you woulkd need to in order for your wheels to be on the pavement.

KxMx

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

You `sound like an idiot.

it's quite simple. the people who are against it are going over the top with their excuses. Which makes it sound like they don't drive, so i suspect you're lying

Actually, as I have to manage without a car of my own, or even someone to give me the occasional lift, and live two streets away from the bus stop, with ill health on top (tomorrow is 3 buses to Hospital with 3 lots of roadworks along the bus route) some of the excuses by drivers make me :rotfl: Because I see right through them.

:cool:

wealdroam

The definitions of MUST/MUST NOT and SHOULD/SHOULD NOT are clearly explained in the introduction to The Highway Code:

Many of the rules in The Highway Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an explanation of the abbreviations.

Although failure to comply with the other rules of The Highway Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.