Teachers on Strike

BJV

I get that they want to make a stand. like it up lump it they have a right to make themselves heard. But!!!!

I have had to bring the children into work today. Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

When will teachers realise that they are hurting normal people. They are not getting the public support instead just alienating themselves.

kwmlondon

Having watched educating Yorkshire I would not resent teachers a bloody heft pay rise. They seem to be doing more good for this country than most other groups of people and the more committed, hard-working, well-paid and rewarded people we have in the job the better the whole of the UK will be.

Dunroamin

wallbash wrote: »

No , they get the rewards because they are better teachers.

An interesting concept, if untrue.

DCodd

I never understand the aggression shown towards Teachers that strike (from within the education system as well). What they are trying to do is create a profession that attracts the very best of people.

Surely that is exactly what you would want? You can not really be saying that it is perfectly acceptable to have only an adequate level of personell in a state education system? If you do then let's hope you are not one of the same people who continually moan that all the best jobs go to Public School educated people.

This strike has been deliberately timed with it's roving timetable to have the least impact on the education of the pupils.

dazza.mk

DCodd wrote: »

I never understand the aggression shown towards Teachers that strike (from within the education system as well). What they are trying to do is create a profession that attracts the very best of people.

Of course to attract the best in the profession they need to get rid of the worse which they were failing to do and I doubt the situation has improved. -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7870366/Incompetent-teachers-avoid-sack.html

And of course UK average salaries are significantly higher than Finland, who sit head and shoulders above us in comparative academic results:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-12-1073_en.htm

DCodd

dazza.mk wrote: »

Of course to attract the best in the profession they need to get rid of the worse which they were failing to do and I doubt the situation has improved. -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7870366/Incompetent-teachers-avoid-sack.html

And of course UK average salaries are significantly higher than Finland, who sit head and shoulders above us in comparative academic results:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-12-1073_en.htm

Maybe because there is a definite migration of experienced, quality teachers from the profession and a difficulty in persuading the very best young people to join the profession. They are fighting the constant reduction of available resources, the never ending interference with the cirriculum and in some cases a total lack of support from senior management. They are infact leaving because they are no longer actually allowed to teach properly.

All that report seems to show is that the maxium salary for Teachers in England/Wales is higher than in Finland. What it doesn't seem to show is the the real salary.

You may have fallen for the Govt spin on this type of reporting. In Finland they split the role of the teacher into far more parts than they do in the UK, each being a specific "Job" in itself. Both in the UK and Finland plus many other countries, many Teachers earn extra for extra responsibilities (extra jobs). Depending on which responsibility is defined as a "new job" and which duties are regarded as part of your existing job, your renumeration increases, decreases or stays the same (the UK and finland as it happens are in the group of countries where teachers renumeration has declined).

giraffe69

Those teachers who are striking have a number of issues but the one which seems to get up their nose most is the desire to introduce some sort of performance management and relate pay to the results. If you have that sort of system then there are certain things it needs e.g. not just related to exam results, some fairness in the assessment etc etc however the teaching unions are determined to resist any scheme good bad or indifferent. We all know that some teachers are not very good but they, in virtually all cases, get increments for the first six or so years and then promotion depends on taking on further responsibility in the guise of Head of a department or year. Some years ag o a threshold was introduced and you had to pass it to gain access to higher pay. It had two problems. The first was the excessive bureaucracy that went with it and the second that many schools just shoved everyone through rather defeating the point of it all.
The unions live in the same world as Sir Humphrey when asked who would get the civil service merit and high achievers awards. "Oh, everyone, as usual, dear boy"

Torry_Quine

Here it's half term this week and next.

I have limited sympathy for teachers feeling they need to strike when many workers have far worse pay and pension arrangements and work equally hard.

System

Schools probably like it when the teachers strike. They don't have to pay the teacher for the day they miss and as they're not a business it's not like they are losing business if the school shuts.

For a profession that likes to say they're in it for the kids and not for the money they do seem to whine a lot about pay and conditions.

daveyjp

I wouldn't worry about it. There is now no need to have qualified teachers teaching or running schools.

Within a few years if you can turn up 195 days a year you can be in front of 50 children in a class earning national minimum wage.

When after 13 years we have 50 more uneducated folk draining the taxpayer don't come moaning.