Facing dismissal because of a mistake

jscott05

monty-doggy wrote: »

I guess I need to face up to the fact I've made a mess of things and face the consequences. I may resign.

I am good at my job however I had a horrific car accident in January and only been back at work full time for three weeks. I know a lot of the replies on here have said its my own fault and if I'm a manager I should know better, however I have been struggling with everything, there is no crime in that.

I don't want to get rid of my deputy, I fought to get him his job as he applied and was unsuccessful as he gave an awful interview. However since then he has made it quite clear he wants my job, and I'm sure this is his way of making it happen. I know I've given him the opportunity. I feel so stupid.

I am not blaming anyone else. I just feel I don't deserve the sack because regardless of how it happened, it wasn't intentional.

And given my health, I may well look for a less stressful job.

Thanks for all your comments, I still feel a wreck!

You may be a manager but your still only human stop beating yourself up. If you really wanted to steal would you have involved someone else when doing so. Your gulity of making a mistake hope you get a second chance. Seem's like you could be doing with a bit of luck

wiogs

I hope it goes well for you.


Personally if I was on the panel, and I have been on disciplinary panels before, I would not see this as a sackable offence.
A written warning yes and assurances that you would not breach company policy again but that would do it for me.

However, if they company wish to show you the door this is a perfectly good excuse for them.

Keep us posted with the chain of upcoming events. All is not lost.

scheming_gypsy

monty-doggy wrote: »

I guess I need to face up to the fact I've made a mess of things and face the consequences. I may resign.

I don't want to get rid of my deputy, I fought to get him his job as he applied and was unsuccessful as he gave an awful interview. However since then he has made it quite clear he wants my job, and I'm sure this is his way of making it happen. I know I've given him the opportunity. I feel so stupid.

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and because of that I'd go down fighting.

Can you tell us what happened please
On the day in question 'deputy' was going to the post office and I asked if I could post a parcel for me. In hindsight I shouldn't have asked him to run a personal errand for me during business hours but as he was going to the post office anyway I just asked. I asked if it was ok if I paid him when he returned, and he said it was fine. I had no reason to believe that he would be using company money and not his own.
On his return I realised I'd left my purse at home, apologised and told him I'd repay him tomorrow to which he replied 'I wouldn't bother'. It wasn't till later that I realised he must have paid out of the petty cash and not his own pocket as he said 'I wouldn't bother' rather than 'it doesn't matter'.
The following day I completely forgot all about it and he hadn't made a note in the till / petty cash that I owed the money. If I had known he was paying out of petty cash I would have told him to leave it and I'd post it myself when I got the chance.'

and then see what happens from there. I wouldn't roll over and let the little oik get the satisfaction of pushing me out.

yvonne13_2

monty-doggy wrote: »

I guess I need to face up to the fact I've made a mess of things and face the consequences. I may resign.

I am good at my job however I had a horrific car accident in January and only been back at work full time for three weeks. I know a lot of the replies on here have said its my own fault and if I'm a manager I should know better, however I have been struggling with everything, there is no crime in that.

I don't want to get rid of my deputy, I fought to get him his job as he applied and was unsuccessful as he gave an awful interview. However since then he has made it quite clear he wants my job, and I'm sure this is his way of making it happen. I know I've given him the opportunity. I feel so stupid.

I am not blaming anyone else. I just feel I don't deserve the sack because regardless of how it happened, it wasn't intentional.

And given my health, I may well look for a less stressful job.

Thanks for all your comments, I still feel a wreck!

What exactly did you do to get him the AM job then if he wasn't successful at the interview stage?

whitewing

Good luck with sorting it all out, OP.

Personally, I wouldn't resign unless you really have to.

Most people I know who lose their jobs do so because they don't get that they are the ones at fault. Those who have learnt their lesson tend to try.

I certainly think the recovery from the car accident has played its own part in it being more difficult for you to potentially do your own errands.

monty-doggy

yvonne13 wrote: »

What exactly did you do to get him the AM job then if he wasn't successful at the interview stage?

He was an internal candidate, I told my area manager I felt he was nervous at interview and assessment and I still felt he was the right person for the job and I'd like to offer him a trial.

After some deliberation my area manager agreed.

I've received all the notes and information from head office. In his statement he claims I knew it was petty cash and he denies the conversation where I forgot my purse. I've challenged this but the manager who is doing the disciplinary said its irrelevant. He said if company money was used for my personal expense it's gross misconduct, regardless of how it came about.

I guess I've just got to accept my fate and learn from it.

monty-doggy

whitewing wrote: »

Good luck with sorting it all out, OP.

Personally, I wouldn't resign unless you really have to.

Most people I know who lose their jobs do so because they don't get that they are the ones at fault. Those who have learnt their lesson tend to try.

I certainly think the recovery from the car accident has played its own part in it being more difficult for you to potentially do your own errands.

I'm able to fully accept my wrong doing. I inadvertently did this to myself. And with hindsight I shouldn't have done it.

With my poor health it's time to find a less stressful job and take a step down. I thinks it's obvious I'm not coping hence the out of character stupidity.

moromir

monty-doggy wrote:

He said if company money was used for my personal expense it's gross misconduct, regardless of how it came about.

I guess I've just got to accept my fate and learn from it.

I would strongly fight this - on this basis you could go and post anything using company funds and claim it was his and he asked you to do it and there would be no onus on you to provide proof- and summarily he should also lose his job.

See what they say to that!

AP007

monty-doggy wrote: »

Last week my deputy went to the post office with work related post. I asked him to take a parcel of mine as I've not even had chance to get to the post office given the hours I'm working. He had money from petty cash and I said when you get back ill sort out how much mine costs.

When he got back I realised I'd left my purse at home which isn't like me. I told him I'd Have to pay it back the next day and would he please remind me. He said 'I wouldn't bother' to which I replied no ill pay it back, I'm not like that! He said whatever. He didn't mention it again and I've been working 12- 14 hour days since. I totally forgot about it.
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monty-doggy wrote: »

He was an internal candidate, I told my area manager I felt he was nervous at interview and assessment and I still felt he was the right person for the job and I'd like to offer him a trial.

After some deliberation my area manager agreed.

I've received all the notes and information from head office. In his statement he claims I knew it was petty cash and he denies the conversation where I forgot my purse. I've challenged this but the manager who is doing the disciplinary said its irrelevant. He said if company money was used for my personal expense it's gross misconduct, regardless of how it came about.

I guess I've just got to accept my fate and learn from it.

It's called 'tripping you up' and as the manager the deputy could say he/she was just doing what you told them to do

I mean lots of screening questions ask questions like that in the application process.

'I will agree to do whatever my manager tells me'

Strongly agree, agree, not sure, disagree and strongly disagree.

We all know the answer should be to challenge what is wrong so it should be disagree but the deputy has just gone what you told them to do and its backfired on you, sorry to say.

scheming_gypsy

monty-doggy wrote: »

I've received all the notes and information from head office. In his statement he claims I knew it was petty cash and he denies the conversation where I forgot my purse. I've challenged this but the manager who is doing the disciplinary said its irrelevant. He said if company money was used for my personal expense it's gross misconduct, regardless of how it came about.

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so your manager has told you it's gross misconduct before the disciplinary has been heard? pretty sure they're not allowed to do that and the disciplinary is to decide what happens. Your manager sounds like he's had a word with the deputy and already decided the outcome.