XP ending. Upgrading problems.

blackdownboy

pickledtink wrote: »

All the threads in all the world and you had to walk into mine......Just my luck to get some child out for a Sunday morning Troll. :rotfl:

Wow!

Yesterday Nifty took the time and trouble to help me out, with clear instructions, and my problem was sorted. The above comment is totally wrong and wholly unjustified,.

Hail Nifty.

50Twuncle

Come on children -stop bickering
Start again calmly! !

NiftyDigits

50Twuncle wrote: »

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Perhaps you, as a self purported adult, can explain to us of the value of your post... other than making yourself look silly.

50Twuncle

NiftyDigits wrote: »

Perhaps you, as a self purported adult, can explain to us of the value of your post... other than making yourself look silly.

You to stop arguing and put some of your effort into worthwhile activiities - case proven !!
PT is not a dumb broad!

Johnmcl7

pickledtink wrote: »

Any help on this or useful suggestions if I really can't reclaim 7 for either machine. I cannot afford to buy two windows 7 OS right now and am reluctant to leap into Linux but need to sort something out.

I'm not really sure what anyone can suggest as you've said you want to be fully legal which you can't do on either of your machines as you don't have a valid license for them since the CoA is not for 7. If you won't buy licenses nor will switch to a free operating system, your only option is to stay with XP and ensure your anti-virus is up to date as well as any addins such as Flash, Java etc. are also fully up to date as they are frequently the method attackers use to get into machines. I know you've said this isn't viable but you don't currently have any other options.

I've not dealt with an Emachines PC for a while so I don't know how their activation system works, some OEM PC's will automatically activate when the manufacturer's install disc is used. However it's usually not easy to get a hold of a suitable install disc and in your case although it may activate, it wouldn't be technically legal with Microsoft's terms nor would using a W7 recovery image as you don't have the license for it.

I can't see this mentioned, have you checked to see if you have a recovery partition before attempting that route?

Exactly. Ebay, Amazon and the net in general are awash with these but unless you're very clued up or a tech who is building systems you'd probably run into problems with instal and or usage.

The product key is linked to a specific unit relative to 7 points. Cannot remember precisely but it's something like the processor, motherboard and graphics card must all be the original as recorded at activation.
There are ways and means round that for the savvy.
Personally I need no hassle 'legal' usage.

The OEM licenses haven't been activated and therefore they're not tied to any hardware, there's no need be very clued up or particularly tech savvy to use them. The downside of an OEM license is that when you activate it, in theory it's meant to tie itself to your hardware configuration and shouldn't be activated on another system while a full retail license allows you to move the license to other machines without issue. It isn't technically fulfilling the license as it's only supposed to be sold with particular hardware and certainly companies aren't meant to be reselling CoA's from specific manufacturers but it's not something Microsoft can check.

John

scheming_gypsy

Do you need to upgrade them both 'right now'? you've got till April next year so there's no massive rush to do it straight away... and you don't need to do them both at the same time.

NiftyDigits

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

The OEM licenses haven't been activated and therefore they're not tied to any hardware, there's no need be very clued up or particularly tech savvy to use them. The downside of an OEM license is that when you activate it, in theory it's meant to tie itself to your hardware configuration and shouldn't be activated on another system while a full retail license allows you to move the license to other machines without issue. It isn't technically fulfilling the license as it's only supposed to be sold with particular hardware and certainly companies aren't meant to be reselling CoA's from specific manufacturers but it's not something Microsoft can check.

John

As aforementioned, using a DELL Recovery disc in conjunction with the COA from the bottom of a laptop is not technically legal.

The reason why Microsoft block these COA from Online Activation was for precisely this..

Perhaps it's time for me to sell the Product Keys from the bottom of my devices in conjunction with a recovery disc.
Goodness me, in that case someone could have gone around copying the product keys from a number of locations.

Unless of course you are referring to a legitimate OEM disc and licence, costing around £70.

Johnmcl7

NiftyDigits wrote: »

As aforementioned, using a DELL Recovery disc in conjunction with the COA from the bottom of a laptop is not technically legal.

The reason why Microsoft block these COA from Online Activation was for precisely this..

Perhaps it's time for me to sell the Product Keys from the bottom of my devices in conjunction with a recovery disc.
Goodness me, in that case someone could have gone around copying the product keys from a number of locations.

Unless of course you are referring to a legitimate OEM disc and licence, costing around £70.

You say all that yet it appears you're trying to just that with the OP as using a W7 restore image on a machine with an XP CoA is not technically legal either.

The sellers are selling the CoA, not the product key on its own - selling the latter wouldn't be much use nor would it be in your case unless you've never attached the CoA to your machines and never activated the with the product key.

Do you have a reference for Microsoft actively blocking these activations aside from referring to their terms and conditions? I've always been surprised at how lax Microsoft are with OEM license restrictions even with non-manufacturer specific licenses as I've been told repeatedly how wrong I am about Microsoft refusing to activate OEM licenses on changed hardware so I'd be interested to see solid evidence of Microsoft methodically clamping down on OEM license use.

I don't use these sellers and in no way endorsing them but just clarifying the process, you seem to misunderstand the system if you think you can remove the CoA's from your machines and sell them on without issue.

John

NiftyDigits

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

You say all that yet it appears you're trying to just that with the OP as using a W7 restore image on a machine with an XP CoA is not technically legal either.

The sellers are selling the CoA, not the product key on its own - selling the latter wouldn't be much use nor would it be in your case unless you've never attached the CoA to your machines and never activated the with the product key.

Do you have a reference for Microsoft actively blocking these activations aside from referring to their terms and conditions?

I don't use these sellers and in no way endorsing them but just clarifying the process, you seem to misunderstand the system if you think you can remove the CoA's from your machines and sell them on without issue.

John

You do know what assumption can do...

Have you seen me offer the OP to install a Windows 7 image to a machine with an XP COA? If not, then why would you suggest such a stupid thing without that evidence?
How it appears to you is limited to your intelligence and perception.

As to the COA, perhaps if you could read properly, you would note that I wrote Online Activation.

So if it doesn't work for Online Activation, it has been taken from the bottom of an existing machine.

pickledtink

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

I'm not really sure what anyone can suggest as you've said you want to be fully legal which you can't do on either of your machines as you don't have a valid license for them since the CoA is not for 7. If you won't buy licenses nor will switch to a free operating system, your only option is to stay with XP and ensure your anti-virus is up to date as well as any addins such as Flash, Java etc. are also fully up to date as they are frequently the method attackers use to get into machines. I know you've said this isn't viable but you don't currently have any other options.

I've not dealt with an Emachines PC for a while so I don't know how their activation system works, some OEM PC's will automatically activate when the manufacturer's install disc is used. However it's usually not easy to get a hold of a suitable install disc and in your case although it may activate, it wouldn't be technically legal with Microsoft's terms nor would using a W7 recovery image as you don't have the license for it.

I can't see this mentioned, have you checked to see if you have a recovery partition before attempting that route?



The OEM licenses haven't been activated and therefore they're not tied to any hardware, there's no need be very clued up or particularly tech savvy to use them. The downside of an OEM license is that when you activate it, in theory it's meant to tie itself to your hardware configuration and shouldn't be activated on another system while a full retail license allows you to move the license to other machines without issue. It isn't technically fulfilling the license as it's only supposed to be sold with particular hardware and certainly companies aren't meant to be reselling CoA's from specific manufacturers but it's not something Microsoft can check.

John

Thanks. You have explained that much better than I did. My point is that an OEM is not the 'same' as a retail copy and once you step away from that you need to understand what you're doing as from what I can tell ( may be wrong) there is no phone/mail tech support directly from microsoft. I have never needed to use that anyway but I'm more concerned about buying something online which messes up the instal leaving me stuck.
This thread was simply trying to find the best way forward.
Obviously I'll pay whatever I must. If I had any way of benefiting from the options that came with the machines that would have been good. Now I know that is not possible except maybe via the recovery partition which would get me as far as 7 starter.
It costs less to upgrade from starter than to buy a full unfettered retail windows 7.
Also upgrades which allow all your files to be kept without a total backup are popular for obvious reasons and more expensive accordingly but from what I'm seeing that can be glitchy and a clean full instal is best anyway. I've done it both ways in the past but not for years.
I certainly am no expert but would consider a a restricted version if I could save a noticeable amount and was confident of being able to instal and run it.
I just don't want to find myself out of the country and having OS problems.
thanks for your advice.