Claiming JSA - apprenticeship refusal

gettingready

Of course lots of people would be grateful - people with no education/experience/qualifications/work history.. THEY would be grateful - and it should be offered to THEM.. Simples.

As it is - someone is losing out on what may be a great opportunity for THEM.

skitler

has d got this job and being made to do it, as far as I read I think not. so no-one is losing out on anything yet.... you are making a mountain from a molehill in you own little educated, experienced and qualified world. and when you say THEM you mean the poor ignorant wasters I assume per-say.

Treevo

gettingready wrote: »

It is a slave labour if she is not getting PAID what normal person doing the job would be paid but is given some £101 per week instead.

Considering she has experience in this particular job and does not need to be "trained" - she should be paid a normal wage or this should be offered/recommended to someone who does not have experience and wishes to gain some.

How is this not a slave labour?

But she would be paid the same as any apprentice. You don't know that they'll have her working at a particular level from day one because she hasn't even attended the interview yet to find out!

It's not 'slave labour' because she is being paid - using such hyperbole doesn't help your situation, especially when combined with the attitude you've demonstrated on this thread.

If your daughter is such an amazing employee - why doesn't she have a job? Why is she claiming benefits? I think you need to take the blinkers off and understand that your degree-holding daughter should be taking any paid work that's offered.

Treevo

gettingready wrote: »

Of course lots of people would be grateful - people with no education/experience/qualifications/work history.. THEY would be grateful - and it should be offered to THEM.. Simples.

As it is - someone is losing out on what may be a great opportunity for THEM.

Or people with no jobs and no income other than benefits. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's your daughter isn't it?

I know you'll say it's not relevant (but as this thread has shown - it probably will be) but how long has she been unemployed and (if a different amount of time) how long has she been claiming benefits?

That makes all the difference in whether your daughter has a legal justification for turning down the opportunity for paid work.

gettingready

Of course lots of people would be grateful - people with no education/experience/qualifications/work history.. THEY would be grateful - and it should be offered to THEM.. Simples.

As it is - someone is losing out on what may be a great opportunity for THEM.

gettingready

My daughter is unemployed only since July - this year.

Her JSA is contribution based and as such for the first 6 months she should not even be forced into any "apprenticeships" etc.

Treevo

gettingready wrote: »

My daughter is unemployed only since July - this year.

Her JSA is contribution based and as such for the first 6 months she should not even be forced into any "apprenticeships" etc.

That ends after 13 weeks, regardless of which type of JSA is claimed.

If she hasn't found a suitable role after four months - it's time to expand the search, and that includes jobs you think she's above.

What was she doing before July? If there's a good reason she lost her job then that might help her convince the job centre that these positions aren't suitable, but if she played any part in her becoming unemployed, they wont' (nor should they) have any incentive to help her avoid paid employment. No matter how degrading you think it is.

Person_one

Treevo wrote: »

That ends after 13 weeks, regardless of which type of JSA is claimed.

If she hasn't found a suitable role after four months - it's time to expand the search, and that includes jobs you think she's above.

What was she doing before July? If there's a good reason she lost her job then that might help her convince the job centre that these positions aren't suitable, but if she played any part in her becoming unemployed, they wont' (nor should they) have any incentive to help her avoid paid employment. No matter how degrading you think it is.

An apprenticeship is not just any 'paid employment' though, is it?

Do you really think it makes sense for someone to take up an apprentice place pretending to learn how to do something they already know how to do for a pittance, rather than spending that time looking for jobs that pay at least NMW and somebody with no experience taking the training place?

(Apologies for long sentence!)

duchy

What happened to the job she had at uni ?
Was she studying away and had to give it up because her course ended or something else ?

spacey2012

On on of the big retail parks one of the store mangers was telling me how just about everyone he knew on the retail park had lost their jobs only to be replaced by "apprentices" doing menial shop work.
They send people round to sign the big shops up to the apprentice scheme and there is no limit to the numbers they can take.

In they come, they get the staff on the old wage to show the apprentices the ropes and then down the road they go, they dont really care about tribunals either, they just sack them on some trumped up charge.

To be honest, if you were a big retail manager and you can sack staff and get 23 year old apprentices, many who have years in retail already but just don't have the latests made up soap packet qualification you would be a poor businessman not to.

Why pay over 6 pounds an hour when you can get 3 people for that money, who know they will be sanctioned by the job centre for refusing or getting sacked.
It is a greedy bosses dream come true.