Claiming JSA - apprenticeship refusal

gettingready

Can someone please let me know if one claiming JSA can refuse apprenticeship? Will this cause a sanction?

My daughter has quite a lot of experience in the field of that particular apprenticeship, was working in almost identical job with normal salary before for over a year. Still JC feels she should do this apprenticeship for absolute peanuts.

Can she refuse? If so, on what grounds?

I am sure I have seen some info about the right to refuse those (slave labour) but can not find it now.

Thanks a lot

kizzie_nikita

Don't think so, it would be classed as a job in a way as she would be paid for it (even though ridiculous 2.90??hr).

I've been told before that if you refuse any kind of work part/full/apprenticeships you will get sanctioned the 3/6 months, as it would be classed as work refusal and that is a high level sanction instead of the lower which is 4 weeks.

Only thing i can think why she may get away saying no, is that;
a)She would be worse off money wise by taking the apprenticeship, this may be the case if shes over 25YO as they get £75 a week, but she'd still have more money in her pocket if she's under 25 as they get £56.

If it was 35 hours a week at £2.90 she'd still be earning £101, whichever your age is still more than the dole.

I can see them saying even more so she should take it, if it's along the kind of work she's done before/wants to do.

gettingready

Thanks - that is the problem really. This is the kind of work he has EXPERIENCE in and can do with her eyes closed/hands tied.

So the "employer" is getting someone for peanuts while she is getting nothing out of it.

Why don't they simply offer a NMW job rather than play silly games with "apprenticeship" that she does not need/will give her nothing?

Because they want slave labour...

With the travel cost - not even better off financially.

theoretica

Has she actually been offered this apprenticeship or is she being told to apply? Surely she can arrange to fluff the interview...

gettingready

She was "shortlisted for an interview with the employer" for this one - based on her previous experience - THAT "helped" her to be shortlisted for apprenticeship/slave labour and her adviser was "so excited for her".

kizzie_nikita

If she really doesn't want it, then she can either not go to the interview and tell the JC she went if there's no way they will find out, or simply go and do a terrible job and she won't get it.

(Not something i'd do, but everyone circumstances are different)

But if she tells the JC she's not going she will be sanctioned for 3-6 months.

gettingready

Thanks.

JC referred her there and "secured her and interview" so they know about it.

To do apprenticeship in something one has experience in = slave labour for peanuts for an employer who is too mean to pay even a minimum wage.

If she was offered a NMW wage job/interview for one - based on her skills/experience in this particular job - fair enough.

But not apprenticeship.

So .. she will turn up BUT will be making sure the offer is not made after all.

Treevo

gettingready wrote: »

Thanks.

JC referred her there and "secured her and interview" so they know about it.

To do apprenticeship in something one has experience in = slave labour for peanuts for an employer who is too mean to pay even a minimum wage.

If she was offered a NMW wage job/interview for one - based on her skills/experience in this particular job - fair enough.

But not apprenticeship.

So .. she will turn up BUT will be making sure the offer is not made after all.

This is a sure fire way for her to be without any income.

She fluffs the job interview purposely (and as someone who interviews - I always know when this is the case) then the interviewer will inform the Job Centre. And then your daughter will lose her benefits.

If she's been offered the chance at an apprenticeship then that means she has no formal qualifications above a certain level - you may feel that she's 'better' than an apprenticeship - but the fact is that she's not.

skitler

This is the kind of work he has EXPERIENCE in and can do with her eyes closed/hands tied.


if this is the case then why no go self employed??

Treevo

skitler wrote: »

This is the kind of work he has EXPERIENCE in and can do with her eyes closed/hands tied.


if this is the case then why no go self employed??

You've got to wonder that if she's so good at this kind of work why she hasn't got a job?

It seems to be pretty standard work and there's hardly a shortage of standard jobs in London - so it seems there will be more to this than what's been written.

skitler

Treevo wrote: »

You've got to wonder that if she's so good at this kind of work why she hasn't got a job?

It seems to be pretty standard work and there's hardly a shortage of standard jobs in London - so it seems there will be more to this than what's been written.

nudge nudge wink wink, say no more.

op dosnt state what type of work it is.

I refuse jobs all the time, im a tradesman and have done 4 years apprenticeship, I tell them there are plenty of people to do unqualified jobs, (no disrespect inferred or intended). there is a sign in our jsa office that says " the job you want, the help you need" and I just refer them to that. ive never been sanctioned