Claiming JSA - apprenticeship refusal

Dunroamin

Deleted%20User wrote: »

Accept low wage now
ALWAYS will be on a low wage

After 15 years of misery for myself, tell your daughter to keep her expectations up and not accept less whilst she can - it is much harder to ask for a salary when you have been poorly paid and have accepted that for so long, no matter the intentions of "oh I'll just do this and one day I'll be paid the right salary" thats why society has all the problems it does

Absolute rubbish!

The harm you'll do to your career by a period of unemployment while you hang on for the salary you feel you're worth is immeasurable.

gettingready

My daughter has a degree in Law & Criminology but that is not relevant here.

The apprenticeship is a warehouse admin job, something she has done for just over a year while at Uni and she was paid 21k per year for it at the time.

No, this is not what she wants to do but - she would not mind the job if it is offered at normal pay but not for the peanuts under the "apprenticeship" cover when she can walk in and do the job of a salaried person from day 1. This is simply not right.

Poppie68

Deleted%20User wrote: »

Accept low wage now
ALWAYS will be on a low wage

After 15 years of misery for myself, tell your daughter to keep her expectations up and not accept less whilst she can - it is much harder to ask for a salary when you have been poorly paid and have accepted that for so long, no matter the intentions of "oh I'll just do this and one day I'll be paid the right salary" thats why society has all the problems it does

What a load of codswallop....3 people i know that have done apprenticeships...2 are my daughters and the 3rd is my nephew. 1st one started as trainee dental nurse now qualified and registered with the GDC and has a very well paid job.

The 2nd start as an apprentice in a Law firm now got the relevent NVQ's which opened the door to qualify her to train as a paralegal again she too now on a decent wage.

The 3rd my nephew as a apprentice electrician, 5 years after he started he has started his own company and employs 3 qualified staff and 2 apprentices and is only 25 years old.

The old saying you have to start somewhere springs to mind.

pmlindyloo

gettingready wrote: »

My daughter has a degree in Law & Criminology but that is not relevant here.

The apprenticeship is a warehouse admin job, something she has done for just over a year while at Uni and she was paid 21k per year for it at the time.

No, this is not what she wants to do but - she would not mind the job if it is offered at normal pay but not for the peanuts under the "apprenticeship" cover when she can walk in and do the job of a salaried person from day 1. This is simply not right.

I agree that this is not right but the simple fact is that if she wants to continue claiming benefits then she has to abide by the rules.

Your daughter is obviously a bright girl and my experience is that young people with a degree often have high expectations of their future career and find it extremely demoralising when attending the Job Centre and are shocked when put in this kind of situation.

The truth of the matter is that having a degree does not automatically mean you are going to walk into the kind of job that you dream of.

It does take time for this to sink in, especially when they are being told by their Universities that they are the 'crème de la creme.'

My daughter was in exactly the same position. She walked the streets with her CV and signed up at every agency that she could. She got work through the agency (not what she wanted!) but stuck at it, was made permanent, was promoted and now earns a very good salary in a job that she has learned to love.

So, starting 'at the bottom' is not a bad thing.

However, I do not think the apprenticeship is right for her.

From your previous posts, it seems that being on JSA and meeting her particular Job Centre's demands do not appear to be working for her. In all honesty the Job Centre want statistics to prove that they have got people into work. Most of them are not interested in much else.

I personally think that your daughter would be better off ending her JSA claim and working in any job (restaurant/pub etc etc) whilst she continues her job search herself.

This will remove the stress of her abiding by their rules, give her some money to make up for the loss of her JSA but still allow her to search for a full time job,

Dunroamin

gettingready wrote: »

My daughter has a degree in Law & Criminology but that is not relevant here.

The apprenticeship is a warehouse admin job, something she has done for just over a year while at Uni and she was paid 21k per year for it at the time.

No, this is not what she wants to do but - she would not mind the job if it is offered at normal pay but not for the peanuts under the "apprenticeship" cover when she can walk in and do the job of a salaried person from day 1. This is simply not right.

Her background seems to me to be very relevant, so thanks for the clarification.

I have to agree with the poster above that it would be much better for her to come off JSA completely. Surely she can find a couple of evenings' work in a pub or a few hours' cleaning that would bring her in at least as much as JSA? You are in London, after all.

I certainly don't think she should do this apprenticeship, not just for her sake but because it would take away what could be a great opportunity for the right person and that would be such a waste.

skitler

spacey2012 wrote: »

Some right pilloks on here !
Throwing muck at people who are been punished by a greedy Government.
The poor lass looses her job and is getting forced back as a fake apprentice doing the same job but for a bag of peanuts where she got a working wage before and you think she deserves it.
Most of these benefit bashers are sat scrounging tax credits, yet they think they have some moral grounds to slag others.
Well let the first without sin chuck the muck.
Stop claiming benefits yourselves in tax credits, a benefit is a benefit, then come back and chuck your opinions around.
This is coming to everyone make no mistake and some of you will deserve it.

ok please line up while I chuck the muck. I knew mr fluffy 4 legs would come in useful one day:rotfl:.

im no tax credit sponger. 1. nobody is being forced. 2.the wage she will be paid has not been authenticated so how do you know its peanuts. 3 its not the govt that is greedy it was the bankers, the govt are there to sort it out, we are all in it together so why should op's daughter get special treatment.
you sound like the prophet of doom "it coming to everyone"

I eagerly await your response spacey2012.

Lieja

If she has a degree, it's very unlikely the training provider would receive funding for her NVQ during the apprenticeship, and therefore the employer would either have to pay, or not put her through it and pay her NMW. If she explains about her degree at interview, chances are she won't get the job.

skitler

marybelle01 wrote: »

Wow. A huge load of assumptions there, but since we must now be "qualified" to express opinions on threads, I should say that I meet your criteria - I do not claim tax credits, have never claimed tax credits, and haven't claimed any form of benefit in 30+ years.

We have no idea whether this young woman lost her job or not, or why - the OP never said. We have no idea whether it is a "fake apprenticeship" or not - we don't even know what the job is, never mind what the apprenticeship entails. Nobody said that she "deserves" anything - she doesn't deserve to be unemployed, but nor does she "deserve" benefits. Nobody has been "benefit bashing". And nobody, except you, was slagging anyone off.


It seems relatively simple. The OP's daughter would be happy to work for the NMW, she therefore needs to get a job that pays the NMW. Then she will not have to apply for apprenticeships, "real" or not.

well said. I couldn't wait to read further and had to respond myself then read your post:beer: some folk eh!!!

skitler

Deleted%20User wrote: »

Accept low wage now
ALWAYS will be on a low wage

After 15 years of misery for myself, tell your daughter to keep her expectations up and not accept less whilst she can - it is much harder to ask for a salary when you have been poorly paid and have accepted that for so long, no matter the intentions of "oh I'll just do this and one day I'll be paid the right salary" thats why society has all the problems it does

I to reiterate;;; absolute rubbish:eek::eek::eek: definitely one for recycling.

marybelle01

I agree with others here - her degree is actually very relevant here because I doubt an employer is going to want an apprentice with a degree - assuming they can even get funding to support someone with a degree doing an apprenticeship.

Perhaps we could make more positive suggestions about how to get her into the work she does want to do if we knew what that was, what she has been doing to find the right job, and how long she has been unemployed? After all, it is relatively easy to advise someone how not to get a job they don't want, and you have had plenty of suggestions for that - but presumably the point is to get her into work that she does want, and then she doesn't have to worry about JSA rules or temporary jobs while she finds work that suits her.