Claiming JSA - apprenticeship refusal

gettingready

@Trevo - so he/she can sleep well tonight.

You have seen some of my posts on other threads but chose to pick which ones to refer to/comment on here.

Ok - I left a 43k pa job in Dec 2010 because the stress was making me seriously ill.

And for a while I was not working and yes I had a lodger and yes I was struggling to feed my cats/dog and myself.

And so what? How is this relevant to having been in 40% tax bracket for several years before that?

And now being on double what I was on before - now and hopefully for many years to come?

And not my "fault" that vets are not being paid what I get - referring to your other comment?

What has all this got to do with THIS thread that you chose to trawl through old posts and refer to them here as if this is current?

Temporary issue that was for me, that is all.

happy or do you want to know my shoe size too?

Dunroamin

gettingready wrote: »

No, it does nothing for me, neither it does aything at all for people forced into those "schemes", you are absolutely right here.

Under £3.00 per hour, in London - with massive travel costs to/from work and generally high prices of everything.. how far would 101 per week take anyone?

Let me refraze from slave wages to starvation wages - if it makes you feel any better?

BTW - who's backs are up? And why exactly?

Would YOU work for under £3.00 per hour?

Nearly twice as far as £56?

jobbingmusician

Dunroamin wrote: »

Nearly twice as far as £56?

That's not true, though, is it? For the £56 you have only to travel to the jobcentre to sign on. For the £104 you have commuting costs to work (which could easily be £50 a week in London).

To me, this whole thread hinges on the nature of the apprenticeship. If you're going to come out of this with a qualification as an electrical engineer [for example], no-one would/should reasonably mind repeating some stuff they already know. If it's Poundland 'training' you to be a shop assistant, why the hell SHOULD you do stuff you already know for £2 odd an hour?

marybelle01

And has anyone yet answered the question I asked, I think, on page one? Politics, positioning and rhetoric aside - what does this young woman want to do, as opposed to what her parent doesn't want her to do, and wouldn't advice on that be more useful than several pages of posturing?

And if she is a graduate - why isn't she posting for advice???? I have to assume she is literate and capable of expressing herself. We have six pages now of posturing about whether this is "fair" (whatever that means) or "slave labour", in a debate between everyone NOT involved.

I don't care what the OP may have been paid once upon a time, why the OP left their job, or what vets are paid. The OP is NOT the young ADULT involved here. We are still discussing everyone's opinion about an adult who is actually not present. And discussing what we all think they don't want rather than what they do want. We have an adult who has a degree and wants to work, has proved they can work - lets have a debate WITH that adult about what they could do to get the work they want. Not a debate amongst ourselves without them about what they shouldn't have to do in our opinion.

Dunroamin

jobbingmusician wrote: »

That's not true, though, is it? For the £56 you have only to travel to the jobcentre to sign on. For the £104 you have commuting costs to work (which could easily be £50 a week in London).

It was intended as a slightly facetious comment sorry.:o

Treevo

gettingready wrote: »

@Trevo - so he/she can sleep well tonight.

You have seen some of my posts on other threads but chose to pick which ones to refer to/comment on here.

Ok - I left a 43k pa job in Dec 2010 because the stress was making me seriously ill.

And for a while I was not working and yes I had a lodger and yes I was struggling to feed my cats/dog and myself.

And so what? How is this relevant to having been in 40% tax bracket for several years before that?

And now being on double what I was on before - now and hopefully for many years to come?

And not my "fault" that vets are not being paid what I get - referring to your other comment?

What has all this got to do with THIS thread that you chose to trawl through old posts and refer to them here as if this is current?

Temporary issue that was for me, that is all.

happy or do you want to know my shoe size too?

You ask what all this has to do with the thread - it's got as much to do with it as you being a higher rate tax payer (allegedly) but you had no qualms about saying that to boost your argument.

And for your information - this is slavery http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2463277/Inside-Ilyas-Ashars-basement-kept-sex-slave.html

Not your precious daughter being required to attend an interview for an apprenticeship. So think on before you use such language.

gettingready

jobbingmusician wrote: »

To me, this whole thread hinges on the nature of the apprenticeship. If you're going to come out of this with a qualification as an electrical engineer [for example], no-one would/should reasonably mind repeating some stuff they already know. If it's Poundland 'training' you to be a shop assistant, why the hell SHOULD you do stuff you already know for £2 odd an hour?

Exactly, thanks.

gettingready

@marybelle

My daughter does not use this forum, she does not read this thread, she is now posting/asking for help because she does not need any.

In fact this thread is nothing to do with her apart from me using her situation as an example.

I started the thread as I was/am curious about this whole apprenticeship circus.

As jobbingmusician wrote:

this whole thread hinges on the nature of the apprenticeship. If you're going to come out of this with a qualification as an electrical engineer [for example], no-one would/should reasonably mind repeating some stuff they already know. If it's Poundland 'training' you to be a shop assistant, why the hell SHOULD you do stuff you already know for £2 odd an hour?

@Treevo - me mentioning my own salary/tax brackets was only a reply to your constant attacks on this and other threads. An you know it very well.

FBaby

I don't get your argument at all OP.

You seem to be weighting your daughter doing this job at minimum pay with what she would be paid doing that job if she'd found it herself

But that's not the situation. What you need to weight is your daughter getting £56 for doing nothing as opposed to earning £101 doing something.

The bottom line is she did NOT found that job, it came to her by the job centre. It therefore cannot be compared.

The only difference between continuing to claim JSA to get £56 a week and going to that apprentiship and getting almost double is that she will have slightly less time to find herself a proper job. However, considering she has no dependent duties, and therefore all her evenings and week-ends to apply for jobs, I don't think she could be considered hard done by.

RichardD1970

gettingready wrote: »

@marybelle
In fact this thread is nothing to do with her apart from me using her situation as an example.

I started the thread as I was/am curious about this whole apprenticeship circus.

Really? I thought you started this thread to find out how your daughter could get of having to do a job for low (slave ) wages. Not a debate on the merits of these new "apprenticeships".