sleeping in a car?

wiogs

arcon5 wrote: »

They may not get 'fined', but certainly will receive an invoice / incur a charge / whatever you wish to call it.

And rightfully so if they are breaching the terms of use.

Just because you can ignore it doesn't make it right. Although there are cases where they take it to court and frankly the advice on dealing with claims around here is dreadful, yet we're all so quick to say ignore it.

You can call it many things but a "fine" it is not. There are some people who would like you to believe it is a fine.

I would never try to abuse a car park deliberately but the scum that are the PPCs make me wish I did.

And I think you will find the advice on here is excellent.

From a motorists point of view that is.

Aretnap

TrickyWicky wrote: »

So apparently carrying a matress in your car (aka private goods) is now punishable? Who on earth came up with that? Next thing you know, carrying tools will be punishable too.

Sounds like a rather optimistic interpretation of the law on the council's part. IMO an adaptation means a modification to the car itself, not a particular piece of luggage carried in the back. IMO of course, I've no idea whether the courts have ruled in the question.

jay213

I'm sure I heard about somebody dying from sleeping in a car recently.

Lum

I've done this once (excluding short naps on long runs) and that was enough.

I was supposed to be spending the night at my girlfriends. She lived a 4 hour drive away. Unfortunately things didn't work out so well and I found myself on the A41, west of Cambridge at 1am, in my Mk2 Astra and really not in a state to drive all the way home, so pulled into a layby behind the HGVs.

It was cold, it was miserable. Once the engine was turned off the heat didn't last that long. Didn't help that I had no warm clothes apart from my coat, no sleeping bag, though I honestly don't think it would have helped much. Least of all I really didn't feel safe, even with the doors locked.

Ended up doing a cycle of sleep for a few hours, drive for a bit until the car was warm and then pull into the next layby, repeat until morning.

Not something I ever intend to repeat.

skitler

jay213 wrote: »

I'm sure I heard about somebody dying from sleeping in a car recently.

I woulnt have thought sleeping in the car was the cause of death, if you are sure it happened.

I can and do sleep where I want, in the van or caravan, neither have a post box.:j pcn's make good fuel.:rotfl:

missile

londonTiger wrote: »

Why can't people contribute without passing judgement??

Maybe we are just trying to help you?

100 miles X 4 X 45p is £180 in mileage. LOL.

I've set myself a personal challenge, I want to make my £2K car free after mileage claims from my company. I need to cover 10K miles for business travel to get that. I get VAT back for the fuel I fill up so £80+VAT would be £96 at the pump.

How can you claim VAT on fuel for company car AND claim max rate for using personal car mileage?
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/travel.htm

If and when HMRC catches you .........

Flying-High_2

£40 wouldn't keep me from my bed.... Lifes too short

Aretnap

Ultimately some people will find sleeping in a car easier than others. Hint - try it one night when you don't have anything terribly important to do the nexr day. That way if you find it doesn't suit you, you won't be trying to drive back from Wiltshire after two hours of rubbish sleep. Ideally try it outside your house so you can go to bed if you're not sleeping... though you might not fancy it if you live in a rough area, and your neighbours might think you're a bit strange.

redux

missile wrote: »

Maybe we are just trying to help you?


How can you claim VAT on fuel for company car AND claim max rate for using personal car mileage?
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/travel.htm

If and when HMRC catches you .........

I was confused by that as well.

To answer the OP's question, personally I'd drive home at night for that distance. Actual fuel cost £8 to £20 each way, depending on car. Then let the client offer an amount for either the double trip or including accommodation.

And some accounting advice is needed. It's either personal use of car on business, mileage allowance not taxable, or business use and charged as such, not both. If you are reclaiming VAT from the fuel, I assume this should be on the basis of a proportion relative to the split between private and business use, like all other motoring expense, but I'm not a VAT expert.

I have kipped in the car occasionally. Last time I spent an hour or two online in advance looking on my route in Czech Republic for a hotel with late check-in on Sunday, then took pop-up tent instead. Got to destination in Slovakia at midnight, and the ground was soaking wet with either earlier rain or heavy dew.

londonTiger

redux wrote: »

I was confused by that as well.

To answer the OP's question, personally I'd drive home at night for that distance. Actual fuel cost £8 to £20 each way, depending on car. Then let the client offer an amount for either the double trip or including accommodation.

Client is paying for double trip, I was trying to see if I can sleep in the car and pocket the change, after careful consideration, it's probably not worth it.

redux wrote: »

And some accounting advice is needed. It's either personal use of car on business, mileage allowance not taxable, or business use and charged as such, not both. If you are reclaiming VAT from the fuel, I assume this should be on the basis of a proportion relative to the split between private and business use, like all other motoring expense, but I'm not a VAT expert.

Well I use freeagent and it's pretty up to date and is as good as an accountant as it manages all the tax rules, just post the invoices and it does the rest.

Car is personal, you can reclaim any amount of fuel that was used for business. Some people check the odometer at the start and end of business journeys. I do delivery rounds every now and then and just do a google maps search and look up the distance (double it for return trips) and input that into the bookkeeping software. 45p a mile is the allowance, 19p of that is the fuel portion (the rest is wear an tear of the vehicle). The 19p fuel portion is VAT reclaimable.