Football/ Gaelic Shirts

irishjohn

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

Not everyone in Belfast or Derry/Londonderry or any other town or village in Northern Ireland would take lightly to someone from "the other side" walking down "their" street wearing a sports top from "the other side". I think you are being quite naive if you think otherwise.......

Personally I wouldn't walk through Portadown in the evening wearing a Celtic or GAA top or likewise I wouldn't walk down the Falls wearing a Rangers top. Non are illegal organisations but I still wouldn't do it !!

Personally I would not wear a sports top of any description anywhere. Its not just in NI that the "other side" (team supporters not religion) will take exception when they see it. My point is that no one should ever feel they are not permitted to dress as they want (unless its a work environment) they have the right to express themselves, but its up to them whether or not they feel its a sensible thing to do.

saverbuyer

sill wrote: »

Well thank you Tara glad you decided to join the discussion ,appreciate your thoughts on my "bitterness".I think you shoud reread my original post and notice the "gaelic/football" think others picked up on what I was talking about sorry if you were having problems with it.I for one would love to know what integrated school do you know who allow their pupils to wear football/ gaa tops oh sorry my fault should have said soccer / gaa tops is that better????.Tara I grew up in Canada so honestly am looking at this from a buisness point of view not a sectarian point of view.I have doubts that all students on their 1st & 2nd day of Uni wearing sports paraphernalia are thinking "i'm wearing this because I play sports ".As I have said we try and hopefully will eventually succeed in making our small society inclusive for all ,is letting uni students wear these shirts which at times can really annoy others honestly the right way to go.If you think there is no problem with these shirts try wearing one to work in any public place or any large company in Northern Ireland and understand why I wonder should students be allowed to do this.Btw he went to Lagan College the first integrated school in Northern Ireland perhaps you've heard of it.Sill

Seriously, it's not a business so stop thinking of it as one.

I have doubts that all students on their 1st & 2nd day of Uni wearing sports paraphernalia are thinking "i'm wearing this because I play sports ".

These are your doubts and intolerances, stop trying to project them on others.

As I have said we try and hopefully will eventually succeed in making our small society inclusive for all ,is letting uni students wear these shirts which at times can really annoy others honestly the right way to go.

Well then others will just have to get on with it and A) learn some tollerance and wise up because it only a football shirt. Stop inserting your own twisted meaning where none exists.

try wearing one to work in any public place or any large company in Northern Ireland

It's not a business. It's University. You'll have trouble wearing a plain tee-shirt in some big companies.
As Tara said, you need to move on. I personally think this says more about your intolerance and ignorance and what you have projected onto your child than anything else. They are 18, they pretty much missed the troubles full stop, so stop trying to inform their opinion by projecting meaning on something where none exists.

I think most young people, certainly the majority who attend higher education, don't have the same intolerance older people have. They are willing to move on and see something like this for what it is, someone who supports their county wearing a football top.
You are using words like “astonished” and “shocked” in the context of someone wearing football top. Perhaps some time in a multicultural, multidenominational environment like University would do you a world of good.
It’d be a nice break from your bubble, I’m sure it’s warm in there with all that hot air you’re venting.

chunter

As an ex-student from any years ago: football tops are easy washed, no need to be ironed. Easy maintenance.
I had a suit and shirts and paraphernalia of that nature, if I had interview.

warmhands.coldheart

chunter wrote: »

As an ex-student from any years ago: football tops are easy washed, no need to be ironed. Easy maintenance...........

And the dirty little bugg3rs can wear them 4 or 5 days in a row without washing and then have the excuse "I was just out training" if they start to reek a bit.....:rotfl::rotfl:

NAR

I wear my Partick Thistle top regularly, so people will realise I am "mentally challenged."

warmhands.coldheart

NAR wrote: »

I wear my Partick Thistle top regularly, so people will realise I am "mentally challenged."

What about your Accrington Stanley top ..... What add was that from again???? A bread add wasn't it?

tara747

sill wrote: »

Well thank you Tara glad you decided to join the discussion ,appreciate your thoughts on my "bitterness".I think you shoud reread my original post and notice the "gaelic/football" think others picked up on what I was talking about sorry if you were having problems with it.I for one would love to know what integrated school do you know who allow their pupils to wear football/ gaa tops oh sorry my fault should have said soccer / gaa tops is that better????.Tara I grew up in Canada so honestly am looking at this from a buisness point of view not a sectarian point of view.I have doubts that all students on their 1st & 2nd day of Uni wearing sports paraphernalia are thinking "i'm wearing this because I play sports ".As I have said we try and hopefully will eventually succeed in making our small society inclusive for all ,is letting uni students wear these shirts which at times can really annoy others honestly the right way to go.If you think there is no problem with these shirts try wearing one to work in any public place or any large company in Northern Ireland and understand why I wonder should students be allowed to do this.Btw he went to Lagan College the first integrated school in Northern Ireland perhaps you've heard of it.Sill

You sound like a control freak, I'm afraid. "Letting students wear these shirts"??? Trying to second guess why they're wearing them? Listen to yourself, honestly.

As saverbuyer says, they're young enough to have grown up after 'the Troubles' and I think it's great that they feel comfortable wearing sports tops. After all, university campuses tend to be less sectarian than small towns, so why shouldn't they wear what they like? I was never 'really annoyed' by what anyone wore at university - maybe if they'd worn full KKK garb, I might have thought differently.

I agree with the comment about them being easy to maintain as well - something which would factor high in an 18-year-old's priorities!

Oh, and I grew up outside NI as well. And your point is?

Why are you going on about business? University is not a business from a student's point of view (even with fees), it's a place of learning.

One final question. Why did you send your son to an integrated school if you harbour such intolerances and prejudices?

Cotta

I can perhaps see some element of concern at a school level where GAA is played in an integrated environment - it's hard to find a suitable balance for this taking into account the Unionist traditions.

I don't see a problem wearing sports tops at Unis, in fact both the University of Ulster and Queens have setup Orange societies which are apparently very popular and this I feel is an excellent balance with the GAA teams that already exists within the campuses.

warmhands.coldheart

tara747 wrote: »

....... After all, university campuses tend to be less sectarian than small towns,.......

I'm afraid that isn't always the case........ Take a walk around the Holylands on a Saturday Night and you'll see the old "Divide" is unfortunately alive and well in the youth of today, at University or not! Very sad but as someone who has a relative living near the area, I know what they have to put up with...

sill

tara747 wrote: »

You sound like a control freak, I'm afraid. "Letting students wear these shirts"??? Trying to second guess why they're wearing them? Listen to yourself, honestly.

As saverbuyer says, they're young enough to have grown up after 'the Troubles' and I think it's great that they feel comfortable wearing sports tops. After all, university campuses tend to be less sectarian than small towns, so why shouldn't they wear what they like? I was never 'really annoyed' by what anyone wore at university - maybe if they'd worn full KKK garb, I might have thought differently.

I agree with the comment about them being easy to maintain as well - something which would factor high in an 18-year-old's priorities!

Oh, and I grew up outside NI as well. And your point is?

Why are you going on about business? University is not a business from a student's point of view (even with fees), it's a place of learning.

One final question. Why did you send your son to an integrated school if you harbour such intolerances and prejudices?

How in gods name am I being predudiced when I am asking is uni really the right place to wear shirts that you are not allowed to wear in schools , colleges , bars, nightclubs, restaurants , and most workplaces . Tara I really think you should calm down about this as you seem to think that by asking a simple question makes me in some way predudiced I suggest so look up the meaning of the word in a dictionary.I asked a question and when others answered I gave an opinion ,in most places this is called a debate which is the basis of every democratic societyin the world.As to why I sent my son to a integrated school the reason is simple I wanted him to interact with people from all religions and cultures which unlike where I went to school in Canada rarely happens as other types of schools in Northern Ireland are usualy populated by one religion or the other.If this makes me intolerant and predudiced then I suggest you contact the oxford english dictionary and get them to change the defination of these words. Sill