Challenging pay comparing against colleague

Missme

ILW wrote: »

If you cannot be bothered to even ask, why expect anything?

If you see it as simply a matter of being bothered, you've missed the point.

ILW

Missme wrote: »

I like fireworks.

Luckily for women, King_Nothing, you don't have to agree with pay equality. Perhaps you'd like it if all of the benefits unions have negotiated for staff were to apply only to union members? No? Would that be because there should be parity across the workforce.

Approximately 75% of the part-time workforce are women; a mere 6 million or so. Part-timers are paid less (ignoring pro-rata) than full-timers and so women are affected disproportionately. The gender pay gap also exists for full-timers but is less pronounced. Help me out here, why should ther be a gap at all?

ILW, the reasons why a woman might ask for less, or rather not ask for more, may well be wrapped up the expectations and constraints that society has historically forced onto women. Or perhaps if women had higher coursing levels or testosterone they might behave differently.

Are you saying the majority of women are incapable of negotiating their own terms? That seems rather insulting to women as a whole.

scheming_gypsy

Missme wrote: »

ILW, the reasons why a woman might ask for less, or rather not ask for more, may well be wrapped up the expectations and constraints that society has historically forced onto women. Or perhaps if women had higher coursing levels or testosterone they might behave differently.

Or she doesn't know what the salary should be, or she wants to go in lower to get the job or or or or or or.

ILW

Missme wrote: »

If you see it as simply a matter of being bothered, you've missed the point.

Is the point I have missed, somehow blaming society for ones own inadequacies?

ILW

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

Or she doesn't know what the salary should be, or she wants to go in lower to get the job or or or or or or.

And why would that not apply to either gender?

Missme

AP007 wrote: »

The average woman is probably downtrodden and needy. They don't say what they really want. Or voice an opinion as they are too scared too.

I know I got paid more then the men I worked with and good that's all I say. It has nothing to do with men getting more than women its about getting as much as you can for yourself. I have no time for wingers

Good for you and all you have achieved for yourself. Some people - not necessarily whingers - need an advocate.

The average woman you describe has been taught to be like that or learned it by observation.

ILW

Missme wrote: »

Good for you and all you have achieved for yourself. Some people - not necessarily whingers - need an advocate.

The average woman you describe has been taught to be like that or learned it by observation.

You seem to have a very low opinion of women in this country.

AP007

Missme wrote: »

Good for you and all you have achieved for yourself. Some people - not necessarily whingers - need an advocate.

The average woman you describe has been taught to be like that or learned it by observation.

You'd think since we got the vote their would be stronger women in the family to teach their daughters they are worth the same if not often more than men in the work place. This is the problem we have with people bringing up their children to feel 2nd class

Southend1

ILW wrote: »

You seem to have a very low opinion of women in this country.

I really do recommend everyone arguing against equal pay legislation read the Deborah Tannen book I mentioned earlier in the thread (Talking from 9 to 5). It explains exactly the point that missme is making about constraints and expectations placed on women and men and how this leads to different styles of working which often lead to women being disadvantaged in the workplace, despite being very capable.

It's nothing to do with women being inferior to men at all.

The evidence (The gender pay gap) strongly supports the argument for equality legislation.

scheming_gypsy

ILW wrote: »

And why would that not apply to either gender?

it would. I'm on the same side as you,