Challenging pay comparing against colleague

Southend1

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

then don't say what you said as it was wrong.

Sorry, which bit of what I said was wrong?

Takeaway_Addict

Southend1 wrote: »

Should I be? It sounds like there is already a pay audit underway and HR are aware that they are not equality act compliant in some areas. The main thing is that OP receives the same pay as her male colleagues doing the same work, as she is legally and morally entitled to. It doesn't matter if the correction is initiated by her or HR, as long as it happens!

This, which has already shown not to be necessarily true.

Southend1

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

This, which has already shown not to be necessarily true.

Sorry I will add the rider that she is legally entitled to equal pay for like work as long as there are no historical TUPE reasons why she shouldn't be. Since HR have not said there are and have acknowledged that there is an issue here, I'm assuming (maybe wrongly) that doesn't apply to her.

warez22

I think being a part time working mum you always feel like you are on the back foot. I don't think it is necessarily a gender issue, it's more to do with feeling you are not valued as much as full time staff. The HR admitted as much to me (in an informal capacity of course)

Unfortunately most part time staff do tend to be female so I suppose it could then have another slant put onto it.

I wouldn't dream of go steaming in there brandishing gender as I think it would be detrimental to the goal that I am trying to achieve and yes I am female and my colleague is male but atm I think its best to not bring that up.

If my colleague was female would I have the same issue - absolutely. Would that issue still be there - who knows.

Southend1

warez22 wrote: »

I think being a part time working mum you always feel like you are on the back foot. I don't think it is necessarily a gender issue, it's more to do with feeling you are not valued as much as full time staff. The HR admitted as much to me (in an informal capacity of course)

Unfortunately most part time staff do tend to be female so I suppose it could then have another slant put onto it.

I wouldn't dream of go steaming in there brandishing gender as I think it would be detrimental to the goal that I am trying to achieve and yes I am female and my colleague is male but atm I think its best to not bring that up.

If my colleague was female would I have the same issue - absolutely. Would that issue still be there - who knows.

Part time status shouldn't be discriminated against either. As you say, discrimination against part timers could easily be indirect sex discrimination. HR will be well aware of this and they will also be aware that you are a woman and your colleague is a man!

fruitedeli

warez22 wrote: »

Well I did it!

I was very professional and had it all planned out before I went in. Didn't bring gender into it at all because I don't think it is that.

HR was very accommodating and apologised for the oversight in not seeing that I was paid so much less for exactly the same job. They are in the process of bringing other salaries into line with each other but as I am not in his department I was overlooked.

HR are going to back me, put together some figures showing my exemplary performance in comparison to the other employee and produce to the MD. HR obviously has no say as to what MD will say but it is the most positive outcome I could have hoped for to start with.

I will know within the next couple of days what happens next. Of course, I do have to prepare myself for the fact that the MD might turn it down flat, at which point I will have to consider my next move. But the initial meeting was all positive.

I will ask tomorrow for confirmation from HR via email as to what the next step is to be.

Thank you for all your help and I will let you all know what the conclusion is as soon as I get it.

I know feel quite proud of myself that I have tried to address what I feel is an unfair situation, it's so easy to sit back and not want to put your head above the parapet. But I have done, but in the right way and hopefully it will all be worth it.

warez

If I were you I'd start finding another job. Expect to be given warnings over petty things or be put first for redundancy. You just bypassed your manager and went to HR about your pay issue, which is no different to raising a grievance against your manager. Since your manager has the final say, you should have brought this issue to him, not HR.

Southend1

fruitedeli wrote: »

If I were you I'd start finding another job. Expect to be given warnings over petty things or be put first for redundancy. You just bypassed your manager and went to HR about your pay issue, which is no different to raising a grievance against your manager. Since your manager has the final say, you should have brought this issue to him, not HR.

Possibly, if the manager is very insecure and prone to behave in a totally unprofessional way.

Unlikely though.

Funky_Bold_Ribena

AP007 wrote: »

I certainly am not and I am a sodding girl lol

More fool you then.

SueC_2

SueC wrote: »

Not disappointed that she didn't bring gender into it then?

Southend1 wrote: »

Should I be? It sounds like there is already a pay audit underway and HR are aware that they are not equality act compliant in some areas. The main thing is that OP receives the same pay as her male colleagues doing the same work, as she is legally and morally entitled to. It doesn't matter if the correction is initiated by her or HR, as long as it happens!

Just thought you might think she'd avoided asserting her legal rights for fear of being seen as rude. Don't know why I'd think that....

Southend1 wrote: »

I'm not suggesting being impolite. You can assert your legal rights in a perfectly polite and civil way. What you and some others are suggesting is avoiding the issue of gender pay difference in case it is seen as being rude!

warez22

I didn't bypass my manager. I had a meeting with her before I had my meeting with HR.

She was in total agreement with what I was doing and gave me the go ahead.

warez