being dismissed for poor performance

happenstance

goonarmy wrote: »

Op you seem to be running into similar attitudes here. Join a union, any union. They will back you up and take your money for the privalege. Obviously one that matches the business your in will be best. Also how does your appearance affect our work? Are you customer facing? My appearance has no affect on my work and id reasonably suspect its the same for you. Old bill and other public services have greatly relaxed there appearance rules, outdated employeers need to catch up. And while you seem unhappy are you looking elsewhere? I suspect your employ.ent will not last much longer, wether thats yiur choice remains to be seen. And on the way out clear a desk. Your boss sounds like a right nugget.

Thanks, joined a union.

No i'm not customer facing. Its just a jumped up manager that thinks I need to dress smart and be clean shaven. I sit at a desk behind 2 24" monitors for 95% of the day.

Clear a desk?

ILW

happenstance wrote: »

You think that people should not be paid for time off sick?

Not really.
An employer is not your mother.
The question is, why did you get sick from working long hours, but many of your colleagues did not?

IainHL

ILW wrote: »

Not really.
An employer is not your mother.
The question is, why did you get sick from working long hours, but many of your colleagues did not?

Fortunately in this country it would seem most employers do not agree with you.

As for your question to the OP that is irrelevant. He states he was working very long hours (at one point 100+ hours in one week, whilst only being paid for 37½) and ended up signed off sick with exhaustion. That is not a good state to be in.

happenstance

ILW wrote: »

Not really.
An employer is not your mother.
The question is, why did you get sick from working long hours, but many of your colleagues did not?

How uncivilised. Maybe you should take up sick pay with the government and try to get the law changed.

If someone falls down on the street would you refuse to help them up?

goonarmy

happenstance wrote: »

Clear a desk?

Walk in. Shout profanities. Slam fist on one edge of desk. One swift clean movement from one edge to other clearing all contents of desk to surrounding floor.


This is decidedly bad as a career move but i reckon it'll make you feel loads better. And it'll look super badass.

goonarmy

ILW wrote: »

Not really.
An employer is not your mother.
The question is, why did you get sick from working long hours, but many of your colleagues did not?

Best ask their physicans rather than the OP.

dori2o

ILW wrote: »

Not really.
An employer is not your mother.
The question is, why did you get sick from working long hours, but many of your colleagues did not?

This is the same argument I see you have on the disabled boards, the old 'they can do it so why can't you' argument.

It's akin to me saying 'Usain Bolt can run 100m in 9.6seconds, why can't you'.

Fortunately most people are intelligent enough to understand that every person is an individual. What affects one person with affect another completely differently.

Some people are able to adapt to working long hours week after week, some will never be able to do it, and for some (OP possibly included) it could actually be detrimental to their health. In fact according to almost every study that has ever been completed on the subject, it is detrimental to everyone's health to work such long hours on a regular basis. It is also detrimental to the business as well as most peoples performance drops after a certain number of hours. it's just human nature.

However, no matter what the contract says, I would not, ever, allow an employer to expect me to work for free.

If I am contracted to 40 hours a week and I work on average 50/60/70 hours, then I want either the pay for these hours or I want time off in lieu.

Employment should be a 2 way agreement, unfortunately we are seeing more and more companies imposing often impossible demands on employees.

ILW

I would suggest there is a difference between being sick and being off sick. The self employed are hardly ever sick, when they are is is serious.

Southend1

ILW wrote: »

I would suggest there is a difference between being sick and being off sick. The self employed are hardly ever sick, when they are is is serious.

And what are the long term effects of working while sick? I suspect it's not very good for you!

happenstance

ILW wrote: »

I would suggest there is a difference between being sick and being off sick. The self employed are hardly ever sick, when they are is is serious.

No they often go into work, spread germs to still get paid while not being as efficient as usual.

Sounds like you have little grasp of illness.