Speeding fine letter spelled my name wrong.

portly1

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

Yes, the license isn't removed entirely as the revoke term implies.



This is also correct and it's an important point as it's frequently misunderstood, as you say the wording of the insurance policy is that must not be disqualified from driving so you'd still be covered by your insurance if your license had been revoked for failing to surrender it.

The difference between the two is that when the courts are considering banning a driver for a more serious offence, they will insist they come to court as the ban is immediate and they need to be aware of it as it's considered a more serious offence to drive while disqualified. However for lesser motoring offences where there's just points involved the courts will convict in absence which can mean if there's been an issue with addresses the driver is entirely unaware their license has been revoked. So given the revokation happens due to a lesser offence and can occur without the person knowing, the penalties resulting from it are less harsh.



Are your V5's up to date for the cars? If so, you probably don't have an issue as it's the address on the V5 that's used to find the driver of a vehicle. So for example if your wife was the registered keeper of the vehicle and you were caught speeding, they would first send a NIP/S172 request to your wife at the address on the V5 asking her to name the driver at the time of the offence. She would then name you and provide your address details and after that you'd then get a S172 request which you'd provide your details and signature to confirm it. So your driving license address wouldn't actually come into it normally.

In some cases people will find out they have a revoked license when they're pulled over by the police and the license status is checked, in other cases they may find out when bailiffs are trying to track someone down for an unpaid court fine as they will search further than just using the address on the driving license.

John

Thanks - one learns something new every day.

Yes my V5 is up to date but my licence is still showing an address that I left in the late 90's.

So in my case it is entirely possible that for the past 14 years or so, I have been driving with a revoked licence but have been fully insured.

BobQ

portly1 wrote: »

Thanks - one learns something new every day.

Yes my V5 is up to date but my licence is still showing an address that I left in the late 90's.

So in my case it is entirely possible that for the past 14 years or so, I have been driving with a revoked licence but have been fully insured.

IIRC failing to report changes to the address of the registered keeper is also a breach of the regulations and has a sizeable fine.

polomints

ILW wrote: »

The courts could not care less about what you think.

Yes, I know, I wasn't saying it to the court, I was just saying it, it was also in brackets.

portly1

portly1 wrote: »

Thanks - one learns something new every day.

Yes my V5 is up to date but my licence is still showing an address that I left in the late 90's.

So in my case it is entirely possible that for the past 14 years or so, I have been driving with a revoked licence but have been fully insured.

Just an update after finding out what may happen, I have contacted the DVLA this morning and after getting through a load of security questions I was told that my licence was revoked in 2000 due to it not being returned for 3 points to be added!! Then I was told that those points would cease to show on my licence in 2004.

I'm off to change the address before PC Plod stops me, issues a summons and crushes the car!!

Thanks everyone for bringing this to my attention.

Strider590

polomints wrote: »

Yes I have been offered a speed awareness course, that's why I thought I'd start this thread, I think I'll just do that rather than risk a fine and three points or something worse.

The thing is I normally do to 30 there even though I think it's an arbitrary limit (and I think arbitrary limits IMO only serve to increase the socially acceptable nature of speeding in general as well as giving pedestrians and other people not familiar with the road a false idea of actual traffic speed) and normally get a tailgated for my trouble or just cause a tail back, I'd just come out of the junction and accelerated too fast that day straight into the sights a speed camera van.

TBH, this makes it worse......

If you know it's a pointless speed limit, you should know they'll have camera's on it.

If I come across a road where the limit seems stupidly low, i'll stick to the limit like a sticky thing in stickyville.

Notice how they don't put mobile camera's near schools or on minor B roads, they want to TRICK drivers into breaking the law.

WTFH

Yes, you must have the correct name and address on your licence, thankfully it's quite easy to change online:
https://www.gov.uk/change-address-driving-licence

Failure to do so can result in a fine of up to £1000:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2337363/Could-fined-1-000-invalid-driving-licence.html

portly1

WTFH wrote: »

Yes, you must have the correct name and address on your licence, thankfully it's quite easy to change online:
https://www.gov.uk/change-address-driving-licence

Failure to do so can result in a fine of up to £1000:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2337363/Could-fined-1-000-invalid-driving-licence.html

That's if you want to 'volunteer' to be part of the 'ID system' that the government have rolled out under the guise of 'Gateway'.

Besides which having never held a passport I would not be eligible even if I wanted to join their 'club'.

Much better to use paper and the post. That way you keep out of their systems.

WTFH

portly1 wrote: »

That's if you want to 'volunteer' to be part of the 'ID system' that the government have rolled out under the guise of 'Gateway'.

Besides which having never held a passport I would not be eligible even if I wanted to join their 'club'.

Much better to use paper and the post. That way you keep out of their systems.

Paper & post just means it takes them longer to put you on their system.
Do you have a national insurance number?
Have you paid tax or received any benefits in the last 20 years?

If the answer to either of those is yes, then you're on the system.

The gateway also means I don't have to pay an accountant to do a tax return, saving me a few quid, and when I do the return I get to see immediately how much they are going to pay me back.

vaio

portly1 wrote: »

Thanks - one learns something new every day.

Yes my V5 is up to date but my licence is still showing an address that I left in the late 90's.

So in my case it is entirely possible that for the past 14 years or so, I have been driving with a revoked licence but have been fully insured.

you will have been insured as far as RTA goes but, some insurers include a term about "driving in accordance with the terms of your licence", which they could use to reject claims for damage to your car and maybe even reclaim costs they paid out to third parties.

Nice to see there are other with paper licences and out of date addresses, maybe we should start a club

portly1

WTFH wrote: »

Paper & post just means it takes them longer to put you on their system.
Do you have a national insurance number?
Have you paid tax or received any benefits in the last 20 years?

If the answer to either of those is yes, then you're on the system.

The gateway also means I don't have to pay an accountant to do a tax return, saving me a few quid, and when I do the return I get to see immediately how much they are going to pay me back.

The NI/HMRC computer systems are not compatible with the DVLA/Passport Agency/Police National Computer. There is no way that they can link anyone up from the former to the latter - hence why they brought out the 'Gateway' system. The original concept of Gateway was that it would enable the government to link ALL government departments together and be the basis of the ill fated 'ID card'. They may have scrapped the 'ID card' idea thankfully, but the systems behind it are working a treat in linking all 'Gateway' applicants with all of the computer systems.

Hence as I have always refused to apply for a passport or the Gateway I cannot be cross linked between all of the computer systems.

Of course I have paid tax, paid NIC and claimed benefits - but that information stays only with those computer systems.

The government would love everyone to be on the Gateway system - 'ID card' by another name!