What is the most the poorest student pays in fees and the minimum grant + bursary?

TurnUpForTheBooks_2

All good stuff, flea72. Thanks. Early bird gets the worm I think - and I have a nasty feeling that applies for bursaries and grants at some universities too - if you don't ask, maybe you might never get, so get on the phone now rather than waiting till you arrive at uni (if that isn't Monday!) ...

Good luck all you freshers starting next week by the way! Have any others already started?

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I never found textbooks overly helpful at uni, after the first year. We were expected to spend hours of our days trawling around the university library 'stacks' in search of journal entries. It was a godsend when they started popping up on the internet.

As someone else said, most of the core texts should be in the library, in multiple copies - and you can request to be alerted when a book became available.

I'm pretty sure I never spent more than £200 on books whilst at uni

Dunroamin

TurnUpForTheBooks wrote: »

I don't get your drift sometimes, Dunroamin. One the one hand you can't abide anyone daring to aspire to university unless they commit to serious subjects which might not include sociology or media studies I guess, and then on the other hand you don't seem to have a clue how much the books required for some of the serious subjects you would acknowledge as such actually cost. One of the student examples I have alluded to (the one with the least bursary/grant) will have to buy no less than 3 books with an Amazon price of not less than forty something quid each before this Christmas, let alone next year.

I think that others have already answered this question for me - it seems to be you who doesn't know how to go about things when it comes to buying or borrowing books.

I don't think I've said anything about suitable degree course subjects, perhaps you're just assuming I have.

Dunroamin

Poppy9 wrote: »

Lots of DD friends doing science subject are forking out that money for a book as they Uni has sent them their requirements and they are trying to buy second hand. We are eagerly awaiting DD reading list!!

The system only works if a parent can afford to top up and many parents simply can't. I was surprised at how many of DD former classmates are staying home to go to uni because they say they simply cannot afford to move away. This then limits their course choice.

Considering that students living at home get a smaller loan and very few of them pay much in the way of keep out of it, most parents could afford to give their offspring an allowance that equates to what it would cost the parents to keep them at home - you have to think laterally.

I'm not familiar with the Welsh system, so can't comment on it, but in England household income levels for student grants start at a generous level of over £46k.

Poppy9

Dunroamin wrote: »

Considering that students living at home get a smaller loan and very few of them pay much in the way of keep out of it, most parents could afford to give their offspring an allowance that equates to what it would cost the parents to keep them at home - you have to think laterally.

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I have a girl so my shopping bill won't reduce much but I know my sister said when her son left her food bill halved!

Thing is the money I spend on my DD for food, toiletries etc. I will continue to do so. I have given her enough shampoo, deodrant etc. to last her till Christmas, plus cleaning materials and her food cupboard will have the essentials as I will take her shopping the day before and I am cooking for her freezer as she has one drawer of a larder one.

She has been responsible for a few years via an allowance from me and her earning for clothes, make up and leisure activities as I wanted her to learn money management skills.

I am however able to afford to give her these extras. I have a couple of friends who are so stressed as due to mortgage, bills etc. they don't have a spare £100 at the month end to give and they are worried their children will be going hungry! They won't notice their food bills dropping dramatically and utility bills, mortgages etc. will remain the same as they have other children at home.

Anyway DD on a bit of a cooking binge at the moment and I'm showing her how to keep left overs etc. so must pop in kitchen to ensure she remembers Mama likes chilli's on her pizza!:D

Poppy9

flea72 wrote: »

If the book is on the reading list, then the uni will have copies. By being organised you can borrow them indefinitely from the library, ie book a copy out on arrival and then check the reservations lists regularly to see if other students have placed holds, if not just keep renewing. Also most core text are available online or there is at least one reference only copy in the library

If you find you use a book regularly, then maybe think about buying a copy, but dont rush out and buy whats on the list. Also alot of books are available free to download, (if you google long enough lol)

I've told DD to search for downloads before buying because not only is it cheaper, more enviromentally friendly her room is so small she won't have anywhere to store them!:D Anyway no reading list yet so perhaps it's not coming!

TurnUpForTheBooks_2

Dunroamin wrote: »

I think that others have already answered this question for me - it seems to be you who doesn't know how to go about things when it comes to buying or borrowing books.

I don't think I've said anything about suitable degree course subjects, perhaps you're just assuming I have.

Well as you seem incapable of appreciating progress and change I think I might fairly assume that you have little notion of scientific and engineering progress - the like of which will not just miraclulously appear as a magic update to last years books or some rip of them on the internet. If you are referring to the study of something Arty that doesn't progress then there may be something in your suggestions that it has all been ripped into handy electronic files on the internet.

Yes I think I am also entitled to assume that you easily write off a whole tranche of courses when you refer disparagingly to the university of upper edmonton which one assumes (again) will only offer a spread of subjects the like of which you do not rate because such a university is a waste of space in your mind.

If I have wrongly assumed anything then do feel free to explain further.

Meantime perhaps you could explain what you know about the interest rates that will apply to this years loans, and how the interest will be affected by the timing of the fee waiver. I am perfecting my spreadsheet. Thanks.

flea72

TurnUpForTheBooks wrote: »

Well as you seem incapable of appreciating progress and change I think I might fairly assume that you have little notion of scientific and engineering progress - the like of which will not just miraclulously appear as a magic update to last years books or some rip of them on the internet. If you are referring to the study of something Arty that doesn't progress then there may be something in your suggestions that it has all been ripped into handy electronic files on the internet.

Tbh, progress in the real-world wont make it into core text, until next publication and uni syllabus will change even slower. thats why journals are the main source of reference for uni students, as they are more current and peer led. There are no major discoveries that will rewrite a whole core text overnight and if there were, a decent lecturer would detail the advances

Dunroamin

TurnUpForTheBooks wrote: »

Well as you seem incapable of appreciating progress and change I think I might fairly assume that you have little notion of scientific and engineering progress - the like of which will not just miraclulously appear as a magic update to last years books or some rip of them on the internet. If you are referring to the study of something Arty that doesn't progress then there may be something in your suggestions that it has all been ripped into handy electronic files on the internet.

Yes I think I am also entitled to assume that you easily write off a whole tranche of courses when you refer disparagingly to the university of upper edmonton which one assumes (again) will only offer a spread of subjects the like of which you do not rate because such a university is a waste of space in your mind.

If I have wrongly assumed anything then do feel free to explain further.

Meantime perhaps you could explain what you know about the interest rates that will apply to this years loans, and how the interest will be affected by the timing of the fee waiver. I am perfecting my spreadsheet. Thanks.

You seem to be having problems sorting out the hordes of posters who disagree with you; the "University of Upper Edmonton" was not my invention. Neither have I mentioned anything about interest rates in student loans - you need to sort yourself out.

TurnUpForTheBooks_2

Dunroamin wrote: »

You seem to be having problems sorting out the hordes of posters who disagree with you; the "University of Upper Edmonton" was not my invention. Neither have I mentioned anything about interest rates in student loans - you need to sort yourself out.

Actually there are not hordes, just a few of you who always seem to be in this part of the forum making sure students know their place but your put down of hairdressing studies is as facetious a comment as the one about upper edmonton so I make no apology this time because I was spot on. I happen to be the guest in the home of a hairdresser this week. Somehow I don't think you would last 5 minutes in debate with many hairdressers (on any subject least of all this one on student fees and fair levels of taxation to pay for it :rotfl:)

I asked you about interest rates because you either have no idea or no interest or you don't want to tell us what you know. I find that annoying since you seem to be Taiko's shadow when he makes any appearance and Taiko should know so I thought you might too.

And about this books nonsense then? Is the view now that all our universities have been conning students into buying expensive books they don't need?

OK glad you spotted that. Thanks for making it clear. So HMG can now insist that universities provide the books free as part of the course material included in the £9,000. Thank goodness for that. For a moment I thought students had to pay through the nose.

How long has the corrupt practice of misselling expensive books to students been going on? Sounds like the whole system is pretty rotten if that has been standard practice up until today. Glad you guys spotted it so the students can from Monday morning claim all the material they need for free based on your say so. Sounds great