Work For The Dole

black_taxi_2

ok we agree--there are some who just don't want to work(always will be)

but the vast majority do,there isn't enough half decent jobs in the economy for full employment

I bet your bottom dollar or sterling,alot of the jobs left are split shifts,p/t minimum wage,zero hour contracts

any decent job will have 100+ applicants going for it

the Tory's are trying to stigmatize the unemployed as wasteful scrounges,when infact there isn't the jobs there.

32 years ago I was on the community scheme,I left school early 16,17

basicly got £20 more a week + dole

the charge hand who drove to diff sights,picking up litter,dog mess,cutting grass,was a druggie---others put on the scheme were alcoholics,day release prisoners.

it was like a white vice van

learnt so much ---maybe to much

Loughton_Monkey

Tancred wrote: »

There you go again: China this, China that. Who the F cares about what these slitty eyed little people do?

What they do has rather more impact on your life than what Cameron does. If you don't care, then that's fine by me.

Tancred wrote: »

I seem to recall that Nazi Germany was very clean and orderly.

I'm sure it was. And your point is?

Tancred wrote: »

Lunacy! Signing on every day? So when would you have time to look for a job if you spent every day wasting time signing on and off for no reason? I think signing on should be abolished. It's demeaning and insulting.

Well looks like Osborn has listened and it's due to happen. Signing on is no more demeaning and insulting than taking the taxpayer for granted and pulling in £25K a year for wife & kids without ever having done a day's work.

grizzly1911

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Well looks like Osborn has listened and it's due to happen. Signing on is no more demeaning and insulting than taking the taxpayer for granted and pulling in £25K a year for wife & kids without ever having done a day's work.

Any idea how many actually claim that sort of amount? How many claim that sort of amount outside of London area?

Any idea what the median claim is?

I wonder how much the administration and management of such a scheme will cost? A daily trip by public transport to the nearest JC office would be around £5 per day here. Make a bit of a hole in subsistence benefits, you never know they may even refund it.

I sense another lucrative contract heading to Serco, Crapita or those G4S guys.

wotsthat

Tancred wrote: »

There you go again: China this, China that. Who the F cares about what these slitty eyed little people do

You've obviously never visited China or SE Asia.

Most of the people I know would be amazed that you can get free money just by having to walk 7 miles to the dole office each day.

Whilst we argue about about what song 'nanny' should sing to us at bedtime their kids are working like Trojans and will be looking to outcompete your kids and grandchildren.

Oh by the way. They ain't worrying about whether they leave you enough money for a state pension, NHS, child benefit, unemployment pay, subsidised housing, nice roads, police etc.

As soon as we see how lucky we are we can then either be more productive to pay for it or accept that nanny's cotton wool is simply too expensive.

wotsthat

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I wonder how much the administration and management of such a scheme will cost? A daily trip by public transport to the nearest JC office would be around £5 per day here. Make a bit of a hole in subsistence benefits, you never know they may even refund it.

Do unemployed people not have the use of their legs?

In the 80's when I had to sign on taking public transport wasn't an option. For my first job I had to walk to the interview and back - 15 miles.

noodle_doodle

wotsthat wrote: »

Do unemployed people not have the use of their legs?

In the 80's when I had to sign on taking public transport wasn't an option. For my first job I had to walk to the interview and back - 15 miles.

Walk? You lucky... . I had to crawl. Through snow.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo



Anyways, not to be judgmental or owt, and usually I'm about as tory as dennis skinner, but most of the long-term unemployable I have the honour of knowing, you'd need another fully-paid full-time member of staff to watch them and make sure they were working.

RuthnJasper

Tancred wrote: »

There you go again: China this, China that. Who the F cares about what these slitty eyed little people do?

I seem to recall that Nazi Germany was very clean and orderly.

You are sick.

noodle_doodle

dktreesea wrote: »

Single track? I've got a single track road the government can fix. Preferably immediately. The single track A1 running through the northern part of Northumberland and the southern part of Scotland. Newcastle is meant to be a 2 hour journey from Edinburgh. more like 3 hours. thousands of productive hours wasted every day.

In fact, while they are at it, how about three lanes each way like you get through North Yorkshire? What's so special about the M6/M74 that runs at least two lanes each way, and usually three through one of the most unpopulated parts of Britain (Cumbria/Dumfries and Galloway) when the poor old A1 can't even manage two lanes each way along it's length? And there's money for trams in Edinburgh?? :mad:

Yes, there is plenty of infrastructure work to go around. While the roadbuilders are up there, maybe they could pop into Morpeth and finish off their flood defences? And then they can pop over to Glasgow and turn the "M"77 carpark into a proper motorway!

*random geordie-baiting mode*
Who'd want to go to Newcastle? I suppose it's near to Sunderland

The M74 is great. 3 lanes from moffat to gretna, with only me and mad max's armoured petrol tanker. Whee!

Logically a dualled A68 would be a shorter distance than a dualled A1 between edinburgh and the north-east, and would give the border towns a better road link north and south.

And a dualled A7, then you can reach edinburgh from carlisle and all points south (manchester/liverpool) much quicker. And a dualled A75, then the north-west of england and northern-ireland would only be 3 hours away. Trouble is all these roads go through scotland and the SNP don't want to know about building links to england when they can build a dualled A9 to 100,000 people for twice the cost.

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Probably the extreme weather up there. Freeze-ups are fatal for roads.

A-ha. yes, scotland on average is colder and wetter than england. But that's because it includes lots of mountains and atlantic-facing islands, and hardly anyone lives in those spots. The big cities were sensibly settled in the warmer spots on the coast and the east coast in particular gets the same rain as the south-east of england due to rain shadow effects. So edinburgh's !!!!!y roads have no excuses other than the council being rhubarb.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ukmapavge.html

*Meteorology 101 will continue on the OU at 4.30am BBC2*

Dunroamin

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Any idea how many actually claim that sort of amount? How many claim that sort of amount outside of London area?

A two child family in most areas of the south east is going to be getting within a grand of that figure, which is obviously net income. If anyone in the family has any kind of a disability or if there are more children, the amount will be considerably larger.

MacMickster

Sibley wrote: »

I think all welfare should be stopped immediately.
No housing benefit, dole money, disability benefit. Nothing.

Works in Thailand where I live.

All we are breeding is a nation of lazy sluts, chavs and non working Muslim communities.

A moderate viewpoint then?

I believe that the lack of welfare in Thailand causes some people to do some pretty unsavoury things in order to make sufficient money to live, and in turn attract some fairly unsavoury people to visit and live in the country.

Those in poverty also find little objection to constructing makeshift living accommodation rather than sleeping on the streets.

I'm glad that you are happy living in Thailand. I am much happier living in a country that makes some provision for the less fortunate in society, although I do think that those provisions do go too far.