Work For The Dole

stinktankcynic

The people, single people, couples working for near minimum wage with no children are shafted by the benefits system. Why should a single person either working or career non worker with a couple of children's get hundreds of pounds a week benefits?This is more than single professionals/supervisors earn for hard graft and long hours, the worker also pays tax, ni and substantial costs of going to work. They are even about to take away one of the only advantages of working SP2. We will all get the single tier pension. Work pays does it?

PasturesNew

I'd prefer to get benefits and work for benefits than to go and find a "proper job". Even though I've loads of years of good experience behind me in office administration and IT, project management, web stuff ... all sorts.... loads.... I'd still struggle to find a job that paid the same as: rent + council tax + £71/week. And, I'm sure, if you're working for your benefits there's less pressure on you as the 'employers' won't expect much from you. So it'd be a bit of a doss really.

Wouldn't need to worry about wearing "nice clothes" or what my hair looked like either! And the work'd probably be closer to home than jobs seem to be.

Loughton_Monkey

PasturesNew wrote: »

.... I'd still struggle to find a job that paid the same as: rent + council tax + £71/week......

I'd recommend a couple of kids as well. School will feed them when they're 5. Quite lucrative.

chewmylegoff

N1AK wrote: »

I like the idea of universal benefits for most things. I actually like the idea of a truly universal benefit (effectively everyone receiving a wage from government, and tax being higher to pay it). The problem with that solution is two fold:
1/ If you can earn nearly £4,000 just for being in the UK it would likely encourage abusive immigration.
2/ Given the economic awareness of most voters it would provide a dangerous incentive to screw the country in the long term by voting yourself a short term 'pay rise'.

3/ if you introduced a universal benefit of, say £4,000 for each person, the only difference to the current system (assuming that other benefits like housing benefit remained in place) would be that each working person would now receive an additional £4,000 a year. I wonder if anyone can do the maths to work out how much more tax each working person would need to pay in order to fund that?

Loughton_Monkey

chewmylegoff wrote: »

3/ if you introduced a universal benefit of, say £4,000 for each person, the only difference to the current system (assuming that other benefits like housing benefit remained in place) would be that each working person would now receive an additional £4,000 a year. I wonder if anyone can do the maths to work out how much more tax each working person would need to pay in order to fund that?

Given that Miliband and his crew seem to be promising no extra tax for anyone earning £150,000 or less. I think that's about .5% of the working population. So each 'rich bu99er' needs to support 199 others with £4,000. That's £796,000 extra tax per person. Simple really.

dawyldthing

By the time all the benefits are taken into consideration it works out around minimum wage - so why not create more jobs in the areas we need to help out. Like in:
- nurseries where more people would help children learn better, readers and teaching assistants (that are still qualified, but create more jobs as it would still be paid for but rather than the state paying the housing benefit, council tax etc they would and it gives people self worth and a reason to get up in the morning.
- nursing homes and help in the community - how many of us know of older people that need help whether it is companionship, shopping, odd jobs and the like. Why not create a whole bank of people that work for the state that can help do these jobs for minimal cost rather than what we have at the moment which is people wanting 10 to 15 pounds an hour due to having to pay rates and the like.
- Help in the community - gardening, odd jobs and the like could be done cheaply
- could bring meals on wheels back, help people go to the hospital and the like more cheaper by taking them in cars rather than the buses and hospital transport.
- help around the community - there seems to be a whole host of things like hedges and the like that seems to not be done now due to costing.

Some of these could pay for themselves through small charges and save money in other ways by making them more smaller scale

stinktankcynic

In the modern day I find it amazing that people are paid to stay at home, whilst the government makes cutbacks. The streets should be clean, the plants and weeds cleared, libraries should be fully staffed. At little if any extra cost to the taxpayer.

Anyone long term idle, should do full times courses and experience until they get a job.

krok

stinktankcynic wrote: »

In the modern day I find it amazing that people are paid to stay at home, whilst the government makes cutbacks. The streets should be clean, the plants and weeds cleared, libraries should be fully staffed. At little if any extra cost to the taxpayer.

Anyone long term idle, should do full times courses and experience until they get a job.

You forgot the machine gun towers and guards in black.

stinktankcynic

krok wrote: »

You forgot the machine gun towers and guards in black.

We have that, CCTV, ticket wardens, people watching your dog fouling.

chucky

Tancred wrote: »

There you go again: China this, China that. Who the F cares about what these slitty eyed little people do?

That's not very nice.

You seem the type of bloke who racially abuses a person from China and then raves about how nice special fried rice with Peking duck is.