Jamie Oliver

lostinrates

January20 wrote: »

You are right on this point, but I think that if you are having a crisis like say "a girl called Jack" or Memorygirl faced, it's unrealistic to say: go and buy a piece of meal for £14 because it will feed 6 people for so many meals because they might not have the cash to do it in the first place!

I agree with the posters who said this wasn't meant for the real food poor.



I don't criticise him for making lots of money. Good for him that he is worth so much. I dislike the fact he thinks he knows it all and can dictate to people how they should live, what their kids should have in their pack lunches, etc. I look at him and think he looks a little to well-fed to lecture on healthy eating, iyswim

I also believe he is just jumping on the bandwagon of food poverty to make more money. I don't think he really understand it or care about it. I too noticed the product placement and it wasn't a supermarket cheapest brand, was it? I find it all very crass.

If a basic food product payed for product placement its basic price would be less basic!

People in financial extremis do continue to make poor spending choices, buying on unserviceable credit, making poor purchasing choices, and indeed, poor food choices. For a lot of people most days of the week a joint of meat is not a useful purchase, But its a good purchase on a birthday or day when those people might blow amounts with which old stylers could do half a months grocery shop at a takeaway or not very good restaurant.

Maitane

kiss_me_now9 wrote: »

Where I went to uni (Bangor, North Wales), there was no greengrocer. There was a couple of butchers but nowhere to buy fruit and veg from apart from Lidl, Aldi, Morrisons and if you had a car or fancied a 25 minute walk each way, Tesco. Lidl and Aldi's fresh food quality was awful and various people I know got food poisoning from their meat. Morrisons was right in the middle of town so the prices were much higher than you'd find in a Morrisons that had other competitors. And yet Bangor is in an area that has ridiculously high rates of poverty compared to the rest of the UK; and a higher rate of childhood obesity as well.

There is now an Asda and two Asian food markets (but they don't sell fresh food) but in my first and second years it was Morrisons or nothing really.

I was a UW Bangor student too, I started ten years ago this September but I still live in the area and you're absolutely spot on. There's nothing too great unless you've got the ability to travel then you're lucky enough to be able to reach Hootons in Fron Goch in Caernarfon or at their site in Brynsiencyn (they sell chicken carcasses for wonderful stock, I usually get about a kilo for 70p).

When Morrisons was Safeway, the student union was an absolute dive not a trendy wine bar in a now demolished building, Y Borth and Bryn Dinas were the newest of new halls, the Latestop was an all-nighter and the Pizza House was in its glory day without competition, me and my two house mates would walk the 1.6 miles each way to Tesco with our rucksacks.
All very well and good when it's a once a week affair for three students combining their weekly treat (Maccy D's fries dipped in milkshake ) and their weekly basics shop but it's further for people on the estates like Maesgeirchen so heaven knows how they managed - Asda and Tesco run buses but equally, proper shopping can be heavy in comparison to ready meals. Even more alien a concept if you don't know the ways of making the best of your budget or the basics of cooking.

I doubt this is isolated to Bangor, I'll bet this sounds familiar to many people in many areas and it's not an ideal situation but there are ways to cope with it if you have a friendly source of advice which is what it feels like people are lacking more than anything.

phizzimum

I think they were being quite honest in actually showing the a large amount of people who are involved behind the scenes In any tv cookery show. I'd rather that than have the chef pretending to be cosily in their own kitchen when it's really a set in a studio.

That you tube interview with martin is v interesting. JO explained that compared to take always his meals are much better value. So as others have said, us old stylers are not who he is aiming the show at.

I'm going to carry on watching the show as my DH loves JO and is a confirmed food snob. If Jamie says frozen fish is fine he might start believing it too!

Any

kezlou wrote: »

No what pees me off is that the media portrays all workies as boozy fools who can wait till 5pm to have a pint of whatever. When most just want to come in, have a bath, eat, have a cup of coffee and collapse on the sofa after working very long hours.

I certainly don't come home, have bath and most certainly don't have a coffee!!
I and everyone else I know come home, get changed, start cooking tea and at least 3 times a week have a glass of wine while doing that or with dinner, which I then take with me to the TV!!
It does not mean we are alcies or wboozy fools or what ever at all, that is your personal view on how you see alcohol.
You sound like great fun. You don't have to drink - but just because someone has a pint of beer or glass of wine with their relaxation, don't label us as boozy fools please!!! From what you posted I can see that censoring look on your face through the screen...

I make goulash here and it is still reasonably priced meal by the way... In comparison what I earn here and what I pay for meat here. What Russians earn - trust me it is not the cheapest thing for them!! The idea about meals like these is that there is cheap off cuts of meat and made for ever, getting a lot of tasty sauce in the process which you then mop up with dumplings.. and there isn't much meat in the pan to start off with, it is the dumpling with the sauce that fills you up.

Sweet_Pea_Cottage

A fat bloke worth 150 million quid, tells poor people not to buy TV's and eat better......I know where he can stick his branded kitchen utensils:mad::D

lostinrates

Any wrote: »

I certainly don't come home, have bath and most certainly don't have a coffee!!
I and everyone else I know come home, get changed, start cooking tea and at least 3 times a week have a glass of wine while doing that or with dinner, which I then take with me to the TV!!
It does not mean we are alcies or wboozy fools or what ever at all, that is your personal view on how you see alcohol.
You sound like great fun. You don't have to drink - but just because someone has a pint of beer or glass of wine with their relaxation, don't label us as boozy fools please!!! From what you posted I can see that censoring look on your face through the screen...

I make goulash here and it is still reasonably priced meal by the way... In comparison what I earn here and what I pay for meat here. What Russians earn - trust me it is not the cheapest thing for them!! The idea about meals like these is that there is cheap off cuts of meat and made for ever, getting a lot of tasty sauce in the process which you then mop up with dumplings.. and there isn't much meat in the pan to start off with, it is the dumpling with the sauce that fills you up.

I'm thinking back to when I went out to work. I used to come in and strip off, check the mail, if d was due home I'd loiter til he was and do anything that needed doing about the place then get supper on if it were a slow cook thing and we'd hop in the bath with a glass of wine together!


Then we might go out again...

I think people's routines are different depending on lifestyle and one is no more right than another unless one can develop a New routine that works better for oneself

Any

lostinrates wrote: »

I think people's routines are different depending on lifestyle and one is no more right than another unless one can develop a New routine that works better for oneself

People's routines most certainly are different... but naming people who enjoy a glass of something alcoholic is just not on IMHO.

RAS

January20 wrote: »

You are right on this point, but I think that if you are having a crisis like say "a girl called Jack" or Memorygirl faced, it's unrealistic to say: go and buy a piece of meal for £14 because it will feed 6 people for so many meals because they might not have the cash to do it in the first place!

I agree with the posters who said this wasn't meant for the real food poor.

There are a lot of people who buy two ready made meals at £3.50-£5.00 each plus a kiddy version at £2-£3.50, every night of the week.

Or whose every meal is something meaty to fry and possibly chips.

And many of those will have a starter or dessert which costs half as much again.

For those people a £1.17 per portion main is good value.

Personally my favourite is black-eyed peas with spinach except it is HG chard - 40p if I use tinned beans.

But I can spend £5 once or twice a year on a nice steak or some good smoked fish because I like it.

For me it is about knowing how to do both and knowing when the cheaper option is appropriate.

kezlou

Any i actually said the media portrays construction workies as being alcos. My partner saw the program and he was fuming himself. When he goes to work he has to deal with people complaining about how much plumbers charge and how they rolling in it. How they always think they in the pub boozing it up spending the customers money. I even end up being shouted at myself when angry customers phone me up and say how can you charge £80 to fix a boiler, he was only here an hour. Err well the part cost £50, materials £10 and £20 for the fuel and labour. So in effect the plumber gets maybe £10 profit out all of it.
when in fact they not they generally at home shattered.

Like i said i was just angry at how the media portrays construction workers.

WE actually DRINK, myself and my partner a few glasses of wine, especially on a Saturday night. Can't during the week as were absolutely shattered, especially my partner. Or he does have time off the next day we do.

When you have solid grafting and i mean hard work for 16 hours straight, you really can't be bothered to do anything. He's also covered in grime and so are his work clothes, hence the bath. The food is generally cooked by ME and coffee well he doesn't drink tea!
Instead he spends time with our children as sometimes he doesn't see them all week. I.e he leaves the house at 6:30am comes back 11pm.

No i don't have a censoring look and your obviously lucky enough to have wine all week. some of can't afford to do that. Instead we choose to spend it on quality food.

There is no need to judge people just because others have opinions or live the life they do. I've defended someone on the forum just living the way they choose to. Your obviously looking for an argument and are extremely arrogant by the use of smileys in your posts.

By the way my friends are Russian and they say goulash is cheap for them. In the part they come from lamb and mutton goulash is dirt cheap. It is served with potato dumpling or dumpling stuffed with bacon, black bread, pickled veg and stuffed cabbage.
It is a very filling meal and is designed to keep the cold out as the vitamins in.

Lostinrates
My children see us drink alcohol, that i don't have a problem with. I think children should see alcohol being drunk to show that drinking in moderation if fine and can be enjoyed as such. Instead of just thinking drinking alcohol means completely getting trashed.
My 9yr old watched a program at school by the local fire service which showed people with cans of lager and glasses of wine cooking. The next instance showed the wine spilling on the oven and causing a massive dinner. Since then he's been paranoid, he loves cookery programs and this one little thing stops him enjoying them. He say the adults are being silly don't they know it can cause a fire.
I really should have said this in my previous post

lostinrates

kezlou wrote: »

Any i actually said the media portrays construction workies as being alcos. My partner saw the program and he was fuming himself. When he goes to work he has to deal with people complaining about how much plumbers charge and how they rolling in it. How they always think they in the pub boozing it up spending the customers money. I even end up being shouted at myself when angry customers phone me up and say how can you charge £80 to fix a boiler, he was only here an hour. Err well the part cost £50, materials £10 and £20 for the fuel and labour. So in effect the plumber gets maybe £10 profit out all of it.
when in fact they not they generally at home shattered.

Like i said i was just angry at how the media portrays construction workers.

WE actually DRINK, myself and my partner a few glasses of wine, especially on a Saturday night. Can't during the week as were absolutely shattered, especially my partner. Or he does have time off the next day we do.

When you have solid grafting and i mean hard work for 16 hours straight, you really can't be bothered to do anything. He's also covered in grime and so are his work clothes, hence the bath. The food is generally cooked by ME and coffee well he doesn't drink tea!
Instead he spends time with our children as sometimes he doesn't see them all week. I.e he leaves the house at 6:30am comes back 11pm.

No i don't have a censoring look and your obviously lucky enough to have wine all week. some of can't afford to do that. Instead we choose to spend it on quality food.

There is no need to judge people just because others have opinions or live the life they do. I've defended someone on the forum just living the way they choose to. Your obviously looking for an argument and are extremely arrogant by the use of smileys in your posts.

By the way my friends are Russian and they say goulash is cheap for them. In the part they come from lamb and mutton goulash is dirt cheap. It is served with potato dumpling or dumpling stuffed with bacon, black bread, pickled veg and stuffed cabbage.
It is a very filling meal and is designed to keep the cold out as the vitamins in.

Lostinrates
My children see us drink alcohol, that i don't have a problem with. I think children should see alcohol being drunk to show that drinking in moderation if fine and can be enjoyed as such. Instead of just thinking drinking alcohol means completely getting trashed.
My 9yr old watched a program at school by the local fire service which showed people with cans of lager and glasses of wine cooking. The next instance showed the wine spilling on the oven and causing a massive dinner. Since then he's been paranoid, he loves cookery programs and this one little thing stops him enjoying them. He say the adults are being silly don't they know it can cause a fire.
I really should have said this in my previous post

I agree actually, that knowing what 'empty' calories, including alcohol, to cut when times get tight really help.

I cook with alcohol a fair bit ( even now I cannot drink as the alcohol is mainly cooked off) but its the first things I cut down on in tight months...like these last few actually. I'd prioritise meat occasionally over plonk, and protein over sugar...within reason and depending on expectation of length of hardship.

I really agree children need to feel safe and know boundaries with things, including alcohol. I hope your done knows soon that enjoying alcohol within limits is as safe as other things you do. Poor little sausage, its funny the things that scare us at times isn't it?