Interfaith marriages-do they work?

wiogs

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Well, you should know. Living in a country formed by such matters, you are cut off from the past if you don't know and understand some things about them.

As between the Catholic and Anglican Churches - pre-Reformation saints are mostly shared. Post-reformation mostly aren't. Some of hte medieval and dark ages ones have been binned by one or both churches because they appear pretty apocraphyl.

The Orthodox churches, which split away centuries before the Reformation, mostly have their own saints.

Saints, however, are significantly more important in Catholicism than in Anglicanism.

Not sure why I should know but I don't know what constitutes Anglicanism. Never been taught anything to do with it as far as I can recall.

lostinrates

Hermia wrote: »

Ha! I worked in America for six months and it was the first time I have every felt discriminated against for being an atheist. It was actually quite scary at times. Made me appreciate how tolerant the UK can be.

The uk CAN be wonderfully tolerant. Its why both DH and I wanted to live here really.

FatVonD

My first husband was non practicing Moslem and I am an athiest.

Although not practicing it did still bring some problems in that, if you're brought up in a Moslem country some of your values will be Moslem ones in the same way that, even though I'm not a practicing Christian I still adhere to the 10 commandments (I think!)

One example would be circumcision, even though my ex isn't a practicing Moslem he still believes that boys should be circumcised and that boys don't become a man until they are. I didn't want our son circumcised so he hasn't been but it did cause many discussions and, had we still been together when our son was of an age I'm sure there would have been more!

Dunroamin

wiogs wrote: »

Not sure why I should know but I don't know what constitutes Anglicanism. Never been taught anything to do with it as far as I can recall.

I hate people who wallow in their ignorance. If you're really interested, read a book or look it up on the internet rather than waste other people's time. Otherwise, just keep wallowing.:D

benjus

wiogs wrote: »

Not sure why I should know but I don't know what constitutes Anglicanism. Never been taught anything to do with it as far as I can recall.

As far as I can tell it's mostly based around cake-baking.

I was brought up CofE, although not practising these days. I'm marrying a RC woman (who occasionally attends Mass but is not strongly religious).

wiogs

Dunroamin wrote: »

I hate people who wallow in their ignorance. If you're really interested, read a book or look it up on the internet rather than waste other people's time. Otherwise, just keep wallowing.:D

Wallowing in ignorance? How so? Because I asked a question about saints? I am grateful for the answer as now I know a little more.

If you feel your time is being wasted then do something else.


I am appreciative of those who choose to reply in a constructive manner.

wiogs

benjus wrote: »

As far as I can tell it's mostly based around cake-baking.

The Mary Berry of his time?

Torry_Quine

duchy wrote: »

Oh Torry - I laughed out loud at this.

So by your theory the Old Testament is invalid (to Christians).....so therefore also the Ten Commandments ? I really think you might want to have a chat with your priest, vicar or whatever if you truly believe Christians believe in only the New Testament and not the Old.

Perhaps you belong to some kind of fundamentalist sect ? Your beliefs certainly are not mainstream CoE.

I can sort of see where you are coming from as you've never had true respect for other religions so can't even begin to understand how a couple can live side by side in unity -both following their own faiths........I bet in your house not following the same football team or not voting the same way is unthinkable too I think you really should "Get out more" and broaden your horizons. If you are strong in your own faith mixing with those of other faiths honestly won't weaken yours ...which appears to be what motivates your fear of other faiths.

I'm not scared of other faiths, far from it.

I've never said Christians don't believe in the OT just that because of Jesus many of the laws are no longer relevant to us. Any church will tell you that or are you really trying to say that the Cof E teaches that you have to follow things such as circumcision!

voting and which team you support is so far removed it would be laughable if you weren't werious.

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

doesn't look terribly clear to me. It says:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

"unequally yoked" doesn't appear to me to be the same as "marriage".

That's always been taught as don't marry non-believers in every church I've been in.

esmerelda98 wrote: »

It is clear that you think you know a lot about Christianity and Christians, but the many of the views Torry Quine holds are just basic Christian belief, nothing controversial.

Torry Quine did not say the Old Testament was irrelevant to Christians. She did suggest that Old Testament law, and the living a life bound by all the minute laws set out in the Old Testament is not what Christianity is about.

The whole point of Jesus' death on the Cross was a one-time, ultimate sacrifice. The Jews in the Old Testament were continually having to sacrifice an unblemished lamb as part of the process of asking for forgiveness because they were constantly breaking one law or another on account of their (our) human frailty. Jesus' death on the Cross did away with all that, and Christians believe that it freed them from 'the law', that way of life that involves trying to obey gazillions of laws on every aspect of life.

The basic prayer that people say when they become a Christian involves accepting that you are a sinner and that salvation comes through believing in Jesus, not through following any laws to perfection (though the Old Testament is ample proof that even with the best will in the world that is impossible), or through good deeds. It is a stark message, but there you are, it is the basic Christian message.

I believe (my personal belief), is that God gave the Jews the law and many years to try to follow it to prove to all that it is impossible to live by.

Now I know many of you believe this sort of belief is only held by those with a sub-normal IQ. Of course you can believe what you like. It is clear that many Chrisitians are professional people, holding significant appointments in society at large. It is not a question of intelligence.

Well said. :T

Torry_Quine

esmerelda98 wrote: »

All I will say in response to this post is that when a person who becomes a Christian is already married, most ministers would not counsel such a person to leave their non-Christian spouse, but rather advise them to pray for their spouse to come to Christ. It is a very different proposition from saying that there are no dangers that come from marrying a non-Christian.

It most (maybe all?) successful relationships both people share core values. You certainly don't need to have the same beliefs on every issue (if that is even possible, it is probably not desirable), but your core beliefs will either bind you together or push you apart.

Another good post. I would never tell someone to divorce if they become a Christian and their spouse isn't but it will be difficult at times.

duchy wrote: »

I think you're giving Torry a lot more credit for proper thought and education than her level of knowledge and standard of beliefs illustrate. Perhaps you've not read some of her posts on other threads though. She is not "an educated Christian" . I wouldn't engage her in religious debate simply because of this. She dismisses whole swathes of the population because they do not worship as she does. *MY* Jesus taught love of fellow man and respect for all-I think she missed those bits judging by her posts.

Ihave no problem with people who worship Jesus in a different way to me, why would I.

wiogs wrote: »

I don't know who St Augustine is or was either!

But no need to link to him as I have no interest in who he is or was or what he might have said.

Do the various flavours of Christianity share Saints? Or do not all versions have saints?

I believe that as Christians we are all saints and don't like the idea that you become a 'Saint' after death because you 'healed' someone.

seven-day-weekend

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Wasn't he the "God make me chaste... but not yet" chap?

:rotfl::rotfl: Yes, I think he was! Just shows he was as human as the rest of us. And still managed to get to be a saint

'God does not chose the qualified, he qualifies the chosen' (attributed to Mother Theresa).