4 years no pay rise. what action can employees take?

AP007

Southend1 wrote: »

Think about john Lewis/waitrose. They have a reputation for excellent service and make huge profits. Even though they sell many identical products at higher prices than their competitors customers choose to shop there for the service. .

John Lewis 'never knowingly undersold' so wrong again as they will give you the difference back therefore not being dearer at all

Southend1

AP007 wrote: »

John Lewis 'never knowingly undersold' so wrong again as they will give you the difference back therefore not being dearer at all

Do all their customers research prices elsewhere and claim the difference back? No.

Does it apply to a tin of baked beans at waitrose?

Southend1

AP007 wrote: »

No a hotel refund would be made at the front desk therefore not involving accounts at all just like a restaurant bill and shop. Refunds are not done by accounts.

At John Lewis/Waitrose you do not have to go out of your way to get the bonus as everyone gets it regardless of how well you work etc and its the same % because its a 'partnership'

You do not have to exploit anyone to make a profit and keep hold of it.

You obviously have no experience working in my field.

It was an example. The refund may or may not be made at the front desk depending on how the business operates.

To be totally honest I think you're just trolling now so I'm out.

Funky_Bold_Ribena

Southend1 wrote: »

I'm far from rich. I earn well below average UK salary.

However I do sleep very well because I actually take a stand and argue for a decent wage for all and full employment, even though it's an extremely unfashionable argument in this day and age where the government and a significant proportion of the population share your view that we all deserve to live in poverty and be grateful if we can get any work at all.

When you say you take a stand, what do you actually do yourself to make a stand?

Southend1

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

When you say you take a stand, what do you actually do yourself to make a stand?

I give up my time as a union rep, I take part in online discussions and campaigns and attend demos and marches in support of the things I believe in.

What do you do?

ILW

Southend1 wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong on care sector then!

Perhaps if private providers weren't creaming off a nice profit there would be more money for service provision.

LAs use private providers because it is cheaper than providing the service in house. So your comment re profits does not stand up.

Funky_Bold_Ribena

Southend1 wrote: »

I give up my time as a union rep, I take part in online discussions and campaigns and attend demos and marches in support of the things I believe in.

What do you do?

I didn't claim I make a stand on anything. This is about your claim. You tell other people to do things that could lose them their jobs and leave them unemployed without a second's thought so I wondered whether you yourself had walked out of a job/made an actual stand yourself on a point of principle. None of the things you do actually make a stand, do they? I mean, you support other people who presumably are making a stand, and you talk about other people on line who are making a stand; but you aren't actually making a stand yourself are you?

AP007

Southend1 wrote: »

It was an example. The refund may or may not be made at the front desk depending on how the business operates.

To be totally honest I think you're just trolling now so I'm out.

I am so not a troll I just want you or someone to tell me and not just say read this.

tir21

i dont really feel that asking for a 1% increase in pay is really a pay rise anyway

with inflation at 3% its in effect a pay cut

if you buy exactly the same things this year as you did last year you will have less money at the end of the year

what exactly have we done wrong that should make us so accepting of a pay cut?

ILW

tir21 wrote: »

i dont really feel that asking for a 1% increase in pay is really a pay rise anyway

with inflation at 3% its in effect a pay cut

if you buy exactly the same things this year as you did last year you will have less money at the end of the year

what exactly have we done wrong that should make us so accepting of a pay cut?

What you have done wrong, is failed to demonstrate why you are worth more. The only way to do that is to get a better offer elsewhere.